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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

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I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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|}
Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of this nomination, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02.jpg|1 (600 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 4.jpg|2 (499 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 3.jpg|3 (410 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 2.jpg|4 (323 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 1.jpg|5 (302 × 320)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
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!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

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:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
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:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

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I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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|}
Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

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I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
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:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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|}
Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
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:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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|}
Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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|}
Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
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:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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|}
Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
&lt;gallery mode=packed heights=140px&gt;
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02.jpg|1 (600 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 4.jpg|2 (499 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 3.jpg|3 (410 × 400)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
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!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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|}
Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, regarding that I could have moved it to more than 1 set, it is potentially true if we stay in 12 hour rotations beyond April Fools that I could have moved it to Prep 3. However, it is not necessarily true. Even if it does turn out to be the case, could I then expect to be having this same discussion with whoever put Prep 3 together? 
:::::Please, if you don't understand why someone has done something, just ask them. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
===Romeo and Juliet===
* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::It is, but they're short enough an eleventh could be added.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, regarding that I could have moved it to more than 1 set, it is potentially true if we stay in 12 hour rotations beyond April Fools that I could have moved it to Prep 3. However, it is not necessarily true. Even if it does turn out to be the case, could I then expect to be having this same discussion with whoever put Prep 3 together? 
:::::Please, if you don't understand why someone has done something, just ask them. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
===Romeo and Juliet===
* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::It is, but they're short enough an eleventh could be added.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, regarding that I could have moved it to more than 1 set, it is potentially true if we stay in 12 hour rotations beyond April Fools that I could have moved it to Prep 3. However, it is not necessarily true. Even if it does turn out to be the case, could I then expect to be having this same discussion with whoever put Prep 3 together? 
:::::Please, if you don't understand why someone has done something, just ask them. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Well, I'm just not sure that if you placed this set of hooks in front of a reader and asked them to find the flow/links between them, I'm not sure anyone would see more than two (I certainly wouldn't). Let me do an experiment and come back to you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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|}
Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
===Romeo and Juliet===
* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::It is, but they're short enough an eleventh could be added.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, regarding that I could have moved it to more than 1 set, it is potentially true if we stay in 12 hour rotations beyond April Fools that I could have moved it to Prep 3. However, it is not necessarily true. Even if it does turn out to be the case, could I then expect to be having this same discussion with whoever put Prep 3 together? 
:::::Please, if you don't understand why someone has done something, just ask them. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Well, I'm just not sure that if you placed this set of hooks in front of a reader and asked them to find the flow/links between them, I'm not sure anyone would see more than two (I certainly wouldn't). Let me do an experiment and come back to you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Alright, I just asked three people to find links between the hooks in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this version]. Two of them quickly found the astronomical link you outlined between the seventh and eighth hooks. One also identified the image of the Angel as either the reporter Kathryn Johnson or the pianist Clara E. Thoms (she was unsure but thought both were possible);  the other thought the second and third hooks were linked as examples of deep thought from tropical countries.
:::::The third person struggled to find any links, but suggested that the concept of world records was central to all the facts, but he admitted that really only worked for five facts at best. He then got the astronomical link when the other two (who had been chatting about my strange experiment) hinted to him. 
:::::Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I'm disinclined to say the set has to be kept together because they are intrinsically related. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
===Romeo and Juliet===
* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::It is, but they're short enough an eleventh could be added.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, regarding that I could have moved it to more than 1 set, it is potentially true if we stay in 12 hour rotations beyond April Fools that I could have moved it to Prep 3. However, it is not necessarily true. Even if it does turn out to be the case, could I then expect to be having this same discussion with whoever put Prep 3 together? 
:::::Please, if you don't understand why someone has done something, just ask them. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Well, I'm just not sure that if you placed this set of hooks in front of a reader and asked them to find the flow/links between them, I'm not sure anyone would see more than two (I certainly wouldn't). Let me do an experiment and come back to you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Alright, I just asked three people to find links between the hooks in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this version]. Two of them quickly found the astronomical link you outlined between the seventh and eighth hooks. One also identified the image of the Angel as either the reporter Kathryn Johnson or the pianist Clara E. Thoms (she was unsure but thought both were possible);  the other thought the second and third hooks were linked as examples of deep thought from tropical countries.
:::::The third person struggled to find any links, but suggested that the concept of world records was central to all the facts, but he admitted that really only worked for five facts at best. He then got the astronomical link when the other two (who had been chatting about my strange experiment) hinted to him. 
:::::Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I'm disinclined to say the set has to be kept together because they are intrinsically related. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I like the idea, even if some of the links are obscure. Not every set will have a SOHA come in to it, perhaps consider it part of the experiment and see how it goes next time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:20, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==Question about potential hook==
As mentioned a bit earlier, I was considering nominating a few biographies of newly-elected political candidates for DYK. Some of them simply don't have that much of an interest factor (it is mildly interesting that [[Aria Bolkus]], for example, succeeded a Paralympian, but I still might hold out for something better there, or inclusion in a multihook), but I have a question about a hook I was considering bringing forward. [[Carlos Quaremba]], a newly-elected One Nation member of the [[South Australian Legislative Council]], migrated from Argentina to Australia as a young child. This is in the article, and the cited source also mentions that Quaremba describes the Adelaide suburb he moved to, Croydon, as being very Anglo and white, and says &quot;I was the only wog in the whole school&quot; to emphasise this point. Wog, in the Australian context, refers to Mediterranean Australians and more broadly is a catch-all term for a certain migrant background -- you could use it to refer to someone from Lebanon, or for someone from Argentina, as Quaremba does here self-referentially. However, in the British context, it is a racial slur. It has much less of this connotation in Australia (and is largely reclaimed by the community it refers to), but given its global implications I thought this might be inappropriate for the main page. I thought I would ask here as I do think this is an interesting hook idea, but would want to avoid potential gratuity. --[[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 00:15, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:What hook specifically do you have in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Something like &quot;...that, as a child, the Australian politician '''[[Carlos Quaremba]]''' described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school?&quot; Something that incorporates the word, more or less, to highlight the sort of area he was raised in. I think the phrasing in specific makes it interesting, but I ask mainly because I intended to incorporate the quote. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 01:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|LivelyRatification}} I don't think self-descriptions violate DYKGRAT. You could easily make a double hook about this along the lines of &quot;that new members of the South Australian Legislative Council include a man who described himself as &quot;the only wog&quot; at his school and a woman who succeeded a Paralympian&quot;. Are there any more new members?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{re|Launchballer}} I have nominated Aria Bolkus with a similar hook, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lou Nicholson|Lou Nicholson]] with a hook on her policy, and may nominate [[Rebecca Hewett]] (just moved into mainspace), if I can find a good hook. [[User:LivelyRatification|LivelyRatification]] ([[User talk:LivelyRatification|talk]]) 22:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[WP:DYKTIMEOUT]] apply to unpromoted nominations in general, or only to ''unapproved'' nominations? ==

Occasionally we have had nominations that were already approved and at [[WP:DYKNA]], only to be timed out before being promoted. I feel that could be unfair to nominations that were merely waiting for a slot. It could also be the case that the reason they hit the two month mark was because they were approved late due to various reasons.

Should DYKTIMEOUT continue to be applied to unpromoted nominations in general as opposed to those that are merely unpromoted but may have already been approved? Or should it only be applied to unapproved nominations? Or should DYKTIMEOUT only apply to approved but unpromoted nominations on a case-by-case basis, for example during backlog mode? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:Perhaps modify it to 2 months for unapproved hooks and 10 weeks for approved hooks? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::There's also the question of approved hooks that are returned to DYKN due to issues being found: in such cases, what deadline would apply then? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The deadline of common sense, maybe? Do you really need to be told &quot;if a hook has been prepped for two weeks and was then returned to [[WP:DYKN]] after the timeout limit passed, give time for the issues to be fixed&quot;? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:05, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I agree with AirshipJungleman here. If we are going to change anything in our guidelines, I think we should keep it simple. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::TIMEOUT is bitter medicine for approved nominations, but that is part of the point. At some point, hooks are – whether for content or interestingness reasons – more trouble than they're worth. TIMEOUT is always at the promoter's discretion and shouldn't be used en masse, but I do support it applying to approved nominations in certain circumstances. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:46, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can't agree with that, sorry. The only noms that should be getting timed out are those that have proven more trouble than they are worth. ''Approved'' noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free, and should ''not'' be getting timed out under any circumstances. Apart from anything else, there are myriad reasons why an approved nom may not have been promoted, not least of which is that noms can now languish for weeks completely unseen because of PEIS. 
:::::: In any case, the number of nominations does not seem to be problematic at the moment, so there is no good reason to be looking to timeout yet more noms. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:06, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}
:::::::Considering how so many nominations get questioned here once promoted or are sent to queue, that is obviously not the case. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 16:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, they are trouble-free until proven otherwise. If problems arise after they have been approved that causes them to become unapproved, that is a different situation because one is then dealing with an unapproved hook once again. And in that situation, there might be good reasons to time them out depending on the circumstance. But that is not the same thing as timing out perfectly good approved noms with no issues just because they happen not to have been picked up by a promoter yet. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::{{tq|Approved noms are, ipso facto, trouble-free}}: I would like for that to be the case, but the realities of actually clerking DYK make it pretty clear that it isn't. Particularly where it comes to interestingness challenge, we're weighed down by the fact that no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring, and that leads to a systemic drag on our output. The prime examples of this are nominations that sit approved for months but never get promoted because the prep builders look at it and go &quot;eh, I don't like it but I also don't want to hurt their feelings&quot;. Plenty of systems across the project work on the principle that you have to get a certain amount of support in a certain amount of time, else it just gets archived – FAC works that way. This is just another version of that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Well look, I am totally in favour of ditching noms for which a decent hook cannot be found. However, as I have pointed out above, a nom may not have been promoted for any number of reasons, crummy hook being only one (probably quite rare) possibility (rare because promoters in my experience rarely question interest). So I just don't think it's at all fair to be dumping approved hooks willy-nilly on the assumption that they weren't promoted because the hook sucks, because that just isn't a reliable assumption. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:42, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::Totally, and that's why TIMEOUT shouldn't be applied as a blanket rule. It obviously wouldn't be fair to use it where most of the delays have been caused by someone else, and I think most prep builders aren't gonna timeout a hook they'd rather promote. I guess the way I see it is that normally, you're right, there is a presumption that an approved hook needs to be proved flawed. But when an approved nomination sits for that long, I wouldn't say it's &lt;em&gt;automatically&lt;/em&gt; flawed and it shouldn't be treated that way – but I think the presumption shifts from &quot;why would the hook be flawed?&quot; to &quot;if the hook really is good, why hasn't it been promoted yet?&quot;, and that allows for a soft &quot;maybe this isn't worth the time and resources of extra vetting and a DYK spot.&quot; To even get to that space, you have to be sitting for two months – which almost all noms do not – and &lt;em&gt;no promoter&lt;/em&gt; is willing to invoke their very wide discretion to make an exception. I do think that's fair, if biting, and like I said above, plenty of other processes onwiki work this way – even unblocks, for heaven's sake, although I'm not sure how much I agree with that. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, if you are saying you want to take a nuanced approach, that sounds reasonable. My concern, then, is that the nuance isn't apparent in the actual guideline as written, in which case, there is bound to be a lack of nuance in its interpretation. if not now then at some point in the future. So if your point is that maybe a nom that's sat there for two months just has a dud hook, then maybe just find a way to test that that is the issue before ditching the nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 17:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)    
:::::::::::@[[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]]: That's a fair point! As a very rough draft, how about something like:
:::::::::::{{tq2|Nominations over two months old may be timed out at the discretion of the promoter. For unapproved nominations, the promoter should consider whether unnecessary delays were caused by the reviewer; the amount of effort it would take to get the nomination approved; and the value of the hook being lost in a timeout. For approved nominations, the promoted should consider how long the nomination has been approved; why it has not been promoted up until now; and whether DYK's limited resources would be better used vetting and running a stronger nomination. Promoters are especially free to not time out an approved nomination that is over two months old, but has a strong hook – either by not taking any action or by promoting the nomination.}} [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:28, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I like the idea behind the wording, but I fear this might be heading into [[WP:CREEP]] territory. The original idea behind DYKTIMEOUT was for it to be simple: let the promoter or reviewer decide on a case-to-case basis if it is time to close a nomination. Over time, more and more exceptions have been carved out. That wording would basically defeat the purpose of DYKTIMEOUT in the first place: closing nominations that had lingered for too long. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::{{green|&quot;no one wants to do the very painful thing that is telling someone else that their hook is boring&quot;}} I do that all the time. If anyone's having trouble with it, feel free to get me to say it on their behalf. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::and you're a saint for doing that work, but the quality output of DYK can't depend on us having AirshipJungleman29 around forever – as much as I might wish we could! [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 13:17, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not that bad, though, is the thing. You just say &quot;I don't think this is very interesting, so I won't be promoting it; other promoters may disagree.&quot; That both tells the nominator that the hook is potentially, but not certainly, uninteresting, and other promoters, who may be looking askance at the nom, that their suspicions are valid. Most are happy to work with you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:34, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That I will do pretty often, yep. I don't know how often it actually leads to a hook not being run, but it is a good low-involvement way of signaling disapproval. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 15:12, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? ''Approved'' noms are getting timed out? That's nuts. Timeout is supposed to be for hooks that have not been approved after two months, it shouldn't be for noms that have been approved! [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:41, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Agree. Once a hook has been approved via review (QPQ or otherwise), it has passed the first &quot;test&quot; and should no longer be subject to TIMEOUT. (This should be the case even if the review is reversed and another review is requested for some reason further downstream.) -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 17:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:My thought exactly. If a nom has been approved, it means someone has already indicated that there aren't any problems with it. We should be more aggressively timing out stalled noms, not timing out approved hooks that are waiting for a prep. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think you may need to [[Mandela effect|reassess what you remember]] about what TIMEOUT &quot;is supposed to be for&quot;. For example, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney]] was, in my recollection, the first hooks rejected under what would become known as DYKTIMEOUT. You will notice that it had the approved tick. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:20, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: We used to have an informal timeout years ago, but it was always used on unapproved noms, never approved ones, and I ''thought'' the new TIMEOUT was the same deal, so I was surprised and quite frankly appalled when I realized it was being used on approved noms.
:: So I am still opposed to timing out approved noms, I would only support it (under certain conditions) if it got consensus support here, and that does not seem to be the case ATM. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:47, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:: As for Lillie Shockney, I wouldn't exactly call that an approved nom, it was one of those noms that was passed and then others came later and disapproved of the hook. Now whether it should have been timed out or not at that point is probably not an issue that has been clarified, judging by the above discussion, but certainly, I think calling it an approved nom when the hooks had been called into question is not exactly accurate IMO. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 14:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::When you say &quot;the hooks had been called into question&quot;, what you mean is that the hook was approved on the objective grounds, but then was tip-toed around by every promoter until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lillie_Shockney&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1232221545 I got to the point]: it was dull. That is the precise sort of approved nominations that are getting timed out now (or should be, if editors [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#c-AirshipJungleman29-20260323130500-Narutolovehinata5-20260323124900 use their common sense]). 
:::TIMEOUT was instituted after the Andrew Tate brouhaha. You, Gatoclass, probably remember the facts, but in case anyone else doesn't: the nomination for that man '''was approved''', had multiple follow-up discussions on its viability during which many DYK regulars had concerns but no one wanted to push the big red button, ran on the Main Page, and was met with instant and wide condemnation from the general Wikipedia community. In the fallout, TIMEOUT was established as a mechanism to get rid of nominations that lingered like an unwanted smell but for which no one wanted to raise ire of slighted nominators by decisively ruling that they shouldn't run. A blunt and imprecise multi-tool, if you will, with a simple purpose, for nominations approved and unapproved. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:10, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm afraid I missed the Tate brouhaha (although as I recall somebody pointed me to a discussion of it and it didn't seem like such a big deal). But TIMEOUT doesn't seem like a very effective method of dealing with poor judgement (if poor judgement it was in running the Tate nom). 
:::: With regard to the Shockney nom, you didn't actually say the hook was dull, you said it was difficult to parse. Now you may have been correct about that, but it seems to me a more appropriate solution would be for somebody to simply propose a rewording that ''wasn{{'}}t'' difficult to parse. I do this all the time when I am active in the queues, and if I feel a new hook is required and I can think of one I take it to WT:DYK for a quick straw poll. In most cases it's a quick and easy solution that doesn't leave contributors feeling embittered. 
:::: Of course, there are always noms for which a decent hook simply cannot be found, but they are pretty rare in my experience. Regardless, challenging a hook after it has been passed is unapproving the nom in my view. What I ''don't'' want to see is noms being dumped per TIMEOUT with no discussion or reason given ''except'' TIMEOUT - that in my opinion would just be unfair to contributors. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:13, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|Queue 5]] (26 March 2026) ==

===[[Siege of Mosul (1261)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Mosul (1261)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|SnowyRiver28&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|MunkhtushigTheGreatMongol&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--nominator--&gt;|Gb321}} The article as it stands is at 1466 characters, below the 1500 requirement. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:25, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Expanded {{u|HurricaneZeta}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
===[[Terry Ball's snail farms]], [[Tommy Ball (retailer)]], [[Michael Gove]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Terry Ball's snail farms|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|TarnishedPath&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Andysmith248&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Launchballer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|DrThneed}} This was disucssed in the nomination, but including the part about Gove could imply some form of wrongdoing against this BLP when the article and sources don't claim that. Putting this here just to be careful. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:53, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, now it comes down to whether you think &quot;a moneymaking scheme ... inspired by [Michael Gove]&quot; is unduly negative against a BLP. &quot;Moneymaking&quot; is certainly better than &quot;tax avoidance&quot;, but &quot;scheme&quot; still has an air of deviousness/malicious about it, to me at least. YMMV. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:57, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Enterprise?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I would leave Gove out of it and simply call it what it is - a tax avoidance scheme.  Gove didn't inspire or suggest the scheme, he merely complained about the fact that empty properties still had to pay business rates and that got Ball thinking about how he could circumvent that. The original hook was a great one, no need to water it down. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:20, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} I don't think we should try to replace the wording, as it is what it is (a tax avoidance scheme) and is stated as such in the article and sources. Maybe cut out Gove entirely or make it very clear that he was not involved in that specific operation. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:21, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::One solution would be &quot;a Michael Gove parliamentary speech about inheritance tax&quot;, though I will say that the hook already says &quot;a future baron&quot;.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: I still think &quot;... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;&quot;? is far more hooky. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Also, inheritance tax is irrelevant here, is it not? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:51, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::This might work: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:01, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Or this: ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' devised by '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''''s son was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|a baron]]''''s parliamentary speech and stymied by snail orgies and cannibalism? -- [[User:Cl3phact0|Cl3phact0]] ([[User talk:Cl3phact0|talk]]) 20:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::A baron won't work because he wasn't one at the time. &quot;an unaffiliated future baron&quot; might.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I meant vacancy tax. I'll have a think about this overnight, but do you have any ideas for a solo Gove hook?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 22:24, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Given the switch to two-a-day and how this remains unresolved, I've bumped off the hook to Prep 7 to buy more time. A hole now needs to be plugged, while a final agreement on a hook, including a separate hook for Gove, needs to be reached. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:29, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
I propose one of:
*'''ALT1''': ... that after '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' successfully campaigned for Brexit, he did what one newspaper described as &quot;the most spectacular political assassination in a generation&quot;?
*'''ALT2''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' won a televised quiz show before entering politics?
*'''ALT3''': ... that the right-wing UK MP '''[[Michael Gove]]''' ''(pictured)'' worked on a TV current affairs show before entering politics?
As for the Balls, &quot;Stymied&quot; was objected to at the nom, but I suggest the following:
*'''ALT4''': ... that &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot; hindered '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]'''?
...and given that &quot;an uninvolved future baron&quot; neither accuses Gove personally of any wrongdoing nor accuses any baron of being involved in anything, '''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Terry Ball's snail farms|a tax-avoidance scheme]]''' by the son of '''[[Tommy Ball (retailer)|Tommy Ball]]''' was inspired by '''[[Michael Gove|an uninvolved future baron]]''' and hindered by &quot;cannibalism, group sex, and snail orgies&quot;?.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:55, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:If we are to split this I would prefer running ALT2 for the standalone hook, and then ALT4. ALT5 is fine to me. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:19, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I also prefer ALT2 and ALT4. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and split the hooks back into the queue; I think someone needs to do a re-review for the Gove hook? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Do we really need to say &quot;right wing&quot; in Gove's hook instead of just &quot;UK MP&quot;? That seems like editorializing and honestly does not add much to the hook. Even saying &quot;Conservative&quot; (as in the party not the ideology, maybe even linking to the Conservative Party's page) would be more neutral, if there is a desire to emphasize his political views, and I am not convinced it is necessary. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Removed. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
===Romeo and Juliet===
* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::It is, but they're short enough an eleventh could be added.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep&amp;nbsp;2]] ==

=== [[2026 is the new 2016]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/2026 is the new 2016|nom]]) ===
i added a {{t|tone}} tag due to sentences and phrases like {{tq|People are sharing photos, videos, and posts that show the fashion, music, and online trends from 2016}}; {{tq|Many participants in the trend have shared where they were in 2016 or why the year mattered to them}}; {{tq|The phrase looks back to the years before the COVID-19 pandemic}}; {{tq|people recalled mid-2010s trends}}; {{tq|with many hoping the current year will reflect what they remember as a positive time}}; {{tq|In an analysis published by The Washington Post, Shane O'Neill and Haben Kelati discussed why 2016 continues to resonate online}}, etc. bringing it here for second opinions. [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|select]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
* Why does this article exist? [https://www.strikemagazines.com/blog-2-1/2025-is-the-new-2015 2025 is the new 2015] [https://chsprospector.com/9813/a-e/examining-the-2014-is-the-new-2024-phenomenon/ 2024 is the new 2014].  I'm not surprised it's orange tagged and I'm quite tempted to AfD it. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:51, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
*:It’s because it’s covered in more reliable sources that other instances. Do a quick search online and you can see news articles from major publications. [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 12:36, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
Now at AfD, and pulled.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:23, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, regarding that I could have moved it to more than 1 set, it is potentially true if we stay in 12 hour rotations beyond April Fools that I could have moved it to Prep 3. However, it is not necessarily true. Even if it does turn out to be the case, could I then expect to be having this same discussion with whoever put Prep 3 together? 
:::::Please, if you don't understand why someone has done something, just ask them. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Well, I'm just not sure that if you placed this set of hooks in front of a reader and asked them to find the flow/links between them, I'm not sure anyone would see more than two (I certainly wouldn't). Let me do an experiment and come back to you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Alright, I just asked three people to find links between the hooks in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this version]. Two of them quickly found the astronomical link you outlined between the seventh and eighth hooks. One also identified the image of the Angel as either the reporter Kathryn Johnson or the pianist Clara E. Thoms (she was unsure but thought both were possible);  the other thought the second and third hooks were linked as examples of deep thought from tropical countries.
:::::The third person struggled to find any links, but suggested that the concept of world records was central to all the facts, but he admitted that really only worked for five facts at best. He then got the astronomical link when the other two (who had been chatting about my strange experiment) hinted to him. 
:::::Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I'm disinclined to say the set has to be kept together because they are intrinsically related. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I like the idea, even if some of the links are obscure. Not every set will have a SOHA come in to it, perhaps consider it part of the experiment and see how it goes next time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:20, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I still think any themed or connected set, no matter how tenuously connected, needs to be requested and approved on this page. Otherwise, promoters and queuers may inadvertently move hooks in the normal course of prep building and queuing, which appears to have resulted in hurt feelings or some kind of offense even though none was intended, since no one knew that a connected set was being assembled. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 13:50, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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|}
Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
===Romeo and Juliet===
* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::It is, but they're short enough an eleventh could be added.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, regarding that I could have moved it to more than 1 set, it is potentially true if we stay in 12 hour rotations beyond April Fools that I could have moved it to Prep 3. However, it is not necessarily true. Even if it does turn out to be the case, could I then expect to be having this same discussion with whoever put Prep 3 together? 
:::::Please, if you don't understand why someone has done something, just ask them. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Well, I'm just not sure that if you placed this set of hooks in front of a reader and asked them to find the flow/links between them, I'm not sure anyone would see more than two (I certainly wouldn't). Let me do an experiment and come back to you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Alright, I just asked three people to find links between the hooks in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this version]. Two of them quickly found the astronomical link you outlined between the seventh and eighth hooks. One also identified the image of the Angel as either the reporter Kathryn Johnson or the pianist Clara E. Thoms (she was unsure but thought both were possible);  the other thought the second and third hooks were linked as examples of deep thought from tropical countries.
:::::The third person struggled to find any links, but suggested that the concept of world records was central to all the facts, but he admitted that really only worked for five facts at best. He then got the astronomical link when the other two (who had been chatting about my strange experiment) hinted to him. 
:::::Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I'm disinclined to say the set has to be kept together because they are intrinsically related. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I like the idea, even if some of the links are obscure. Not every set will have a SOHA come in to it, perhaps consider it part of the experiment and see how it goes next time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:20, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I still think any themed or connected set, no matter how tenuously connected, needs to be requested and approved on this page. Otherwise, promoters and queuers may inadvertently move hooks in the normal course of prep building and queuing, which appears to have resulted in hurt feelings or some kind of offense even though none was intended, since no one knew that a connected set was being assembled. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 13:50, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
===Romeo and Juliet===
* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::It is, but they're short enough an eleventh could be added.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::And reviewers, but that's out of my hands now, thankfully. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, regarding that I could have moved it to more than 1 set, it is potentially true if we stay in 12 hour rotations beyond April Fools that I could have moved it to Prep 3. However, it is not necessarily true. Even if it does turn out to be the case, could I then expect to be having this same discussion with whoever put Prep 3 together? 
:::::Please, if you don't understand why someone has done something, just ask them. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Well, I'm just not sure that if you placed this set of hooks in front of a reader and asked them to find the flow/links between them, I'm not sure anyone would see more than two (I certainly wouldn't). Let me do an experiment and come back to you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Alright, I just asked three people to find links between the hooks in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this version]. Two of them quickly found the astronomical link you outlined between the seventh and eighth hooks. One also identified the image of the Angel as either the reporter Kathryn Johnson or the pianist Clara E. Thoms (she was unsure but thought both were possible);  the other thought the second and third hooks were linked as examples of deep thought from tropical countries.
:::::The third person struggled to find any links, but suggested that the concept of world records was central to all the facts, but he admitted that really only worked for five facts at best. He then got the astronomical link when the other two (who had been chatting about my strange experiment) hinted to him. 
:::::Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I'm disinclined to say the set has to be kept together because they are intrinsically related. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I like the idea, even if some of the links are obscure. Not every set will have a SOHA come in to it, perhaps consider it part of the experiment and see how it goes next time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:20, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I still think any themed or connected set, no matter how tenuously connected, needs to be requested and approved on this page. Otherwise, promoters and queuers may inadvertently move hooks in the normal course of prep building and queuing, which appears to have resulted in hurt feelings or some kind of offense even though none was intended, since no one knew that a connected set was being assembled. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 13:50, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
===Romeo and Juliet===
* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::It is, but they're short enough an eleventh could be added.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::And reviewers, but that's out of my hands now, thankfully. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, regarding that I could have moved it to more than 1 set, it is potentially true if we stay in 12 hour rotations beyond April Fools that I could have moved it to Prep 3. However, it is not necessarily true. Even if it does turn out to be the case, could I then expect to be having this same discussion with whoever put Prep 3 together? 
:::::Please, if you don't understand why someone has done something, just ask them. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Well, I'm just not sure that if you placed this set of hooks in front of a reader and asked them to find the flow/links between them, I'm not sure anyone would see more than two (I certainly wouldn't). Let me do an experiment and come back to you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Alright, I just asked three people to find links between the hooks in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this version]. Two of them quickly found the astronomical link you outlined between the seventh and eighth hooks. One also identified the image of the Angel as either the reporter Kathryn Johnson or the pianist Clara E. Thoms (she was unsure but thought both were possible);  the other thought the second and third hooks were linked as examples of deep thought from tropical countries.
:::::The third person struggled to find any links, but suggested that the concept of world records was central to all the facts, but he admitted that really only worked for five facts at best. He then got the astronomical link when the other two (who had been chatting about my strange experiment) hinted to him. 
:::::Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I'm disinclined to say the set has to be kept together because they are intrinsically related. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I like the idea, even if some of the links are obscure. Not every set will have a SOHA come in to it, perhaps consider it part of the experiment and see how it goes next time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:20, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I still think any themed or connected set, no matter how tenuously connected, needs to be requested and approved on this page. Otherwise, promoters and queuers may inadvertently move hooks in the normal course of prep building and queuing, which appears to have resulted in hurt feelings or some kind of offense even though none was intended, since no one knew that a connected set was being assembled. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 13:50, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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|}
Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
===Romeo and Juliet===
* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::It is, but they're short enough an eleventh could be added.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::And reviewers, but that's out of my hands now, thankfully. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, regarding that I could have moved it to more than 1 set, it is potentially true if we stay in 12 hour rotations beyond April Fools that I could have moved it to Prep 3. However, it is not necessarily true. Even if it does turn out to be the case, could I then expect to be having this same discussion with whoever put Prep 3 together? 
:::::Please, if you don't understand why someone has done something, just ask them. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Well, I'm just not sure that if you placed this set of hooks in front of a reader and asked them to find the flow/links between them, I'm not sure anyone would see more than two (I certainly wouldn't). Let me do an experiment and come back to you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Alright, I just asked three people to find links between the hooks in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this version]. Two of them quickly found the astronomical link you outlined between the seventh and eighth hooks. One also identified the image of the Angel as either the reporter Kathryn Johnson or the pianist Clara E. Thoms (she was unsure but thought both were possible);  the other thought the second and third hooks were linked as examples of deep thought from tropical countries.
:::::The third person struggled to find any links, but suggested that the concept of world records was central to all the facts, but he admitted that really only worked for five facts at best. He then got the astronomical link when the other two (who had been chatting about my strange experiment) hinted to him. 
:::::Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I'm disinclined to say the set has to be kept together because they are intrinsically related. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I like the idea, even if some of the links are obscure. Not every set will have a SOHA come in to it, perhaps consider it part of the experiment and see how it goes next time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:20, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I still think any themed or connected set, no matter how tenuously connected, needs to be requested and approved on this page. Otherwise, promoters and queuers may inadvertently move hooks in the normal course of prep building and queuing, which appears to have resulted in hurt feelings or some kind of offense even though none was intended, since no one knew that a connected set was being assembled. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 13:50, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::{{+1}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:42, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02.jpg|1 (600 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 4.jpg|2 (499 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 3.jpg|3 (410 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 2.jpg|4 (323 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 1.jpg|5 (302 × 320)
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== 12 hour sets ==

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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
===Romeo and Juliet===
* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::It is, but they're short enough an eleventh could be added.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::And reviewers, but that's out of my hands now, thankfully. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, regarding that I could have moved it to more than 1 set, it is potentially true if we stay in 12 hour rotations beyond April Fools that I could have moved it to Prep 3. However, it is not necessarily true. Even if it does turn out to be the case, could I then expect to be having this same discussion with whoever put Prep 3 together? 
:::::Please, if you don't understand why someone has done something, just ask them. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Well, I'm just not sure that if you placed this set of hooks in front of a reader and asked them to find the flow/links between them, I'm not sure anyone would see more than two (I certainly wouldn't). Let me do an experiment and come back to you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Alright, I just asked three people to find links between the hooks in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this version]. Two of them quickly found the astronomical link you outlined between the seventh and eighth hooks. One also identified the image of the Angel as either the reporter Kathryn Johnson or the pianist Clara E. Thoms (she was unsure but thought both were possible);  the other thought the second and third hooks were linked as examples of deep thought from tropical countries.
:::::The third person struggled to find any links, but suggested that the concept of world records was central to all the facts, but he admitted that really only worked for five facts at best. He then got the astronomical link when the other two (who had been chatting about my strange experiment) hinted to him. 
:::::Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I'm disinclined to say the set has to be kept together because they are intrinsically related. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I like the idea, even if some of the links are obscure. Not every set will have a SOHA come in to it, perhaps consider it part of the experiment and see how it goes next time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:20, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I still think any themed or connected set, no matter how tenuously connected, needs to be requested and approved on this page. Otherwise, promoters and queuers may inadvertently move hooks in the normal course of prep building and queuing, which appears to have resulted in hurt feelings or some kind of offense even though none was intended, since no one knew that a connected set was being assembled. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 13:50, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::{{+1}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:42, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== 12 hour sets ==

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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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|}
Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
===Romeo and Juliet===
* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::It is, but they're short enough an eleventh could be added.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::And reviewers, but that's out of my hands now, thankfully. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, regarding that I could have moved it to more than 1 set, it is potentially true if we stay in 12 hour rotations beyond April Fools that I could have moved it to Prep 3. However, it is not necessarily true. Even if it does turn out to be the case, could I then expect to be having this same discussion with whoever put Prep 3 together? 
:::::Please, if you don't understand why someone has done something, just ask them. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Well, I'm just not sure that if you placed this set of hooks in front of a reader and asked them to find the flow/links between them, I'm not sure anyone would see more than two (I certainly wouldn't). Let me do an experiment and come back to you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Alright, I just asked three people to find links between the hooks in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this version]. Two of them quickly found the astronomical link you outlined between the seventh and eighth hooks. One also identified the image of the Angel as either the reporter Kathryn Johnson or the pianist Clara E. Thoms (she was unsure but thought both were possible);  the other thought the second and third hooks were linked as examples of deep thought from tropical countries.
:::::The third person struggled to find any links, but suggested that the concept of world records was central to all the facts, but he admitted that really only worked for five facts at best. He then got the astronomical link when the other two (who had been chatting about my strange experiment) hinted to him. 
:::::Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I'm disinclined to say the set has to be kept together because they are intrinsically related. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I like the idea, even if some of the links are obscure. Not every set will have a SOHA come in to it, perhaps consider it part of the experiment and see how it goes next time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:20, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I still think any themed or connected set, no matter how tenuously connected, needs to be requested and approved on this page. Otherwise, promoters and queuers may inadvertently move hooks in the normal course of prep building and queuing, which appears to have resulted in hurt feelings or some kind of offense even though none was intended, since no one knew that a connected set was being assembled. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 13:50, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::{{+1}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:42, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
&lt;gallery mode=packed heights=140px&gt;
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02.jpg|1 (600 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 4.jpg|2 (499 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 3.jpg|3 (410 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 2.jpg|4 (323 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 1.jpg|5 (302 × 320)
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== 12 hour sets ==

{{@DYK admins}} - just a reminder to be ready to switch [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]] to 12 hours shortly after midnight for the two april fools' day sets. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

:Given we've got 7 full queues at present and will have 6 full queues just after midnight, we should do 12 hour rotations for at least 3 days. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:44, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
===Romeo and Juliet===
* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::It is, but they're short enough an eleventh could be added.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::And reviewers, but that's out of my hands now, thankfully. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, regarding that I could have moved it to more than 1 set, it is potentially true if we stay in 12 hour rotations beyond April Fools that I could have moved it to Prep 3. However, it is not necessarily true. Even if it does turn out to be the case, could I then expect to be having this same discussion with whoever put Prep 3 together? 
:::::Please, if you don't understand why someone has done something, just ask them. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Well, I'm just not sure that if you placed this set of hooks in front of a reader and asked them to find the flow/links between them, I'm not sure anyone would see more than two (I certainly wouldn't). Let me do an experiment and come back to you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Alright, I just asked three people to find links between the hooks in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this version]. Two of them quickly found the astronomical link you outlined between the seventh and eighth hooks. One also identified the image of the Angel as either the reporter Kathryn Johnson or the pianist Clara E. Thoms (she was unsure but thought both were possible);  the other thought the second and third hooks were linked as examples of deep thought from tropical countries.
:::::The third person struggled to find any links, but suggested that the concept of world records was central to all the facts, but he admitted that really only worked for five facts at best. He then got the astronomical link when the other two (who had been chatting about my strange experiment) hinted to him. 
:::::Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I'm disinclined to say the set has to be kept together because they are intrinsically related. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I like the idea, even if some of the links are obscure. Not every set will have a SOHA come in to it, perhaps consider it part of the experiment and see how it goes next time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:20, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I still think any themed or connected set, no matter how tenuously connected, needs to be requested and approved on this page. Otherwise, promoters and queuers may inadvertently move hooks in the normal course of prep building and queuing, which appears to have resulted in hurt feelings or some kind of offense even though none was intended, since no one knew that a connected set was being assembled. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 13:50, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::{{+1}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:42, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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== 12 hour sets ==

{{@DYK admins}} - just a reminder to be ready to switch [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]] to 12 hours shortly after midnight for the two april fools' day sets. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

:Given we've got 7 full queues at present and will have 6 full queues just after midnight, we should do 12 hour rotations for at least 3 days. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:44, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

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:I cleaned up that paragraph just now. [[User:JudeHalley|Jude Halley]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:JudeHalley|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/JudeHalley|contribs]]&lt;/sub&gt; 23:22, 31 March 2026 (UTC)</text>
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== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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|}
Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
===Romeo and Juliet===
* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::It is, but they're short enough an eleventh could be added.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::And reviewers, but that's out of my hands now, thankfully. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, regarding that I could have moved it to more than 1 set, it is potentially true if we stay in 12 hour rotations beyond April Fools that I could have moved it to Prep 3. However, it is not necessarily true. Even if it does turn out to be the case, could I then expect to be having this same discussion with whoever put Prep 3 together? 
:::::Please, if you don't understand why someone has done something, just ask them. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Well, I'm just not sure that if you placed this set of hooks in front of a reader and asked them to find the flow/links between them, I'm not sure anyone would see more than two (I certainly wouldn't). Let me do an experiment and come back to you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Alright, I just asked three people to find links between the hooks in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this version]. Two of them quickly found the astronomical link you outlined between the seventh and eighth hooks. One also identified the image of the Angel as either the reporter Kathryn Johnson or the pianist Clara E. Thoms (she was unsure but thought both were possible);  the other thought the second and third hooks were linked as examples of deep thought from tropical countries.
:::::The third person struggled to find any links, but suggested that the concept of world records was central to all the facts, but he admitted that really only worked for five facts at best. He then got the astronomical link when the other two (who had been chatting about my strange experiment) hinted to him. 
:::::Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I'm disinclined to say the set has to be kept together because they are intrinsically related. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I like the idea, even if some of the links are obscure. Not every set will have a SOHA come in to it, perhaps consider it part of the experiment and see how it goes next time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:20, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I still think any themed or connected set, no matter how tenuously connected, needs to be requested and approved on this page. Otherwise, promoters and queuers may inadvertently move hooks in the normal course of prep building and queuing, which appears to have resulted in hurt feelings or some kind of offense even though none was intended, since no one knew that a connected set was being assembled. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 13:50, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::{{+1}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:42, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02.jpg|1 (600 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 4.jpg|2 (499 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 3.jpg|3 (410 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 2.jpg|4 (323 × 400)
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== 12 hour sets ==

{{@DYK admins}} - just a reminder to be ready to switch [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]] to 12 hours shortly after midnight for the two april fools' day sets. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

:Given we've got 7 full queues at present and will have 6 full queues just after midnight, we should do 12 hour rotations for at least 3 days. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:44, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/3|Queue 3]] (7 April 2026) ==

===[[Port Manatee Railroad]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Port Manatee Railroad|nom]]) ===
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Not a showstopper, but you may wish to resolve the [[WP:PROSELINE]] in the third paragraph of History.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 23:01, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

:I cleaned up that paragraph just now. [[User:JudeHalley|Jude Halley]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:JudeHalley|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/JudeHalley|contribs]]&lt;/sub&gt; 23:22, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
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This is where the '''[[Wikipedia:Did you know|Did you know]]''' section on the main page, its policies, and its processes can be discussed.&lt;!-- for nominations: see ... --&gt;

== Should we do an [[Eid al-Fitr]] set this March? ==
We already have our regularly scheduled set for Christmas every year, and Christmas is ultimately a Christian holiday (even if it is celebrated by many non-Christians due to secularization). However, I don't think we've ever had a full set about [[Eid al-Fitr]], one of the two main holidays in Islam (along with [[Eid al-Adha]]). In many Muslim countries, Eid al-Fitr is a far bigger celebration than Christmas. Even as a Roman Catholic myself, it feels weird that Islam is the second-largest religion in the world, and yet we have yet to do a set for it when we've done sets for other celebrations. I'm aware that such a set has been mooted in the past, but for whatever reason the idea has never gained traction.

This year, Eid al-Fitr will be around March 19 (the exact date depends on the country or location). Should we do an Islam-related set around that time? The above discussion regarding special sets says that we should be encouraging broader sets, not more narrowly minded ones, so I don't see it being difficult to have a whole set about Islam, Islam-related celebrations, or even facts from predominantly Muslim countries. If DYK could work together on a Martin Luther King Jr. Day set, or one editor can make an entire set about a single American school, I can't see why DYK can't run a set about the world's second-largest religion. If the reception to this is good, I can imagine us also doing another set for Eid al-Adha around May 27, and perhaps for either set or even both to become regular scheduled sets moving forward ala Christmas. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:36, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*I have a few ideas about potential articles... I could probably throw together something on ''{{ill|Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|id}}'' for a more heavily Islamic themed hook, though unfortunately most of my Indonesian sources are no longer with me. (I also have plans to write {{ill|Pak Kasur|id}}, but even though he was from a Muslim-majority country his output was very non-denominational.)&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 02:24, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:No objection at all, but if you're going to propose sets, I would like to see you also contribute to the same set you propose.  I think it's odd for people to propose a set, like a Philippines-related set, but not contribute to the same set.  In other words, people who propose a set should have some skin in the game in helping to make the set happen.  Simply proposing a random set isn't helpful, IMO. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:34, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:Publeek|publeek]] ([[User talk:Publeek|house]] • [[Special:Contributions/Publeek|service]] • [[User:Publeek/owner|theleekycauldron]] • she/her) 02:53, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::To be honest, while I'd love to participate myself, Islam and other related topics are outside my line of expertise, so it would be difficult for me to write such articles. However, perhaps if there are any Muslim anime personalities or something Islam-related that is also anime-related, perhaps I could chime in with a hook or two. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:01, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Sumeru (Genshin Impact)]] exists, perhaps try that one? &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;&quot;&gt;[[User:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color: white;&quot;&gt;Gommeh&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Gommeh|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]&amp;nbsp;[[User:Gommeh/Guestbook|&lt;span style=&quot;color:white;&quot;&gt;sign!&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Miraclepine}} Are you familiar with any Japanese or anime people or media that have links to Islam? I would have suggested [[Fairouz Ai]], but she has already run on DYK. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:18, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::In 2019, which was more than five years ago.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Realistically, the only way she could run again at DYK is if the article is brought to GA status, which might be a tall order given the timeframe we have. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:52, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Not to the best of my knowledge at this time, no. I'll try to find one over the week. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 13:40, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Now I've found one: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata]]. I'm busy at the moment, but I'm open to other hook options. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Aima Baig]] seems to be Muslim and is a GA candidate, though this isn't in the article.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:50, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:I wouldn't be opposed as long as there are articles to support it. ~[[User:Darth Stabro|Darth Stabro]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User_talk:Darth_Stabro|Talk]]&amp;nbsp;•&amp;nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Darth_Stabro|Contribs]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:20, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Support one set in March or May, provided there is a sufficient number proposed. I do not support making it an annually scheduled set or scheduling a second Eid set this year until we can evaluate participation and response. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:29, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
:Seems like a good proposal—would need volunteers, as mentioned. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b-''e''-Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', He Who is Otherwise Known as ‪EasternShah‬ 03:46, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

* Idea is great. We need to find the relevant topics. Not necessarily about religious articles, but there can be some articles about sweet dishes as well which can be featured on Eid al-Fitr and about meat dishes on Eid al-Adha. Otherwise, we can make a set about the films and media which subject around Eids. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 05:25, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
*:We could do something like either the IWD set or the MLK set where we are on the lookout for new article creations about Islamic countries and Islam, and see if they can fit. We could also see if any of our open or approved nominations fit too. To make things easier, the set probably does not have to be entirely Eid-focused, the hooks just have to focus on Islam or an Islamic country (like how the MLK and IWD sets are broad in topic). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:17, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
Good idea, albeit this is well outside of my comfort zone. Looking at [[WT:ISLAM#Article alerts]], I see two DYK nominations, two GA candidates, and about half a dozen AfC submissions. I see also that {{yo|EasternShah}} has also posted on the WikiProject's talk page. In short, filling a set shouldn't be tricky.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 10 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, the two DYK nominations do not seem appropriate. [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mosque of the Late Mohamed Abdulkhaliq Gargash|The first nomination]] is likely to be rejected on article quality and hook accuracy grounds, while the [[Template:Did you know nominations/Sadiku (Boko Haram)|second nomination]] is about a Boko Haram leader and is probably not the best option to be featured. The two GA nominations have yet to be reviewed, so they are possibilities if they are reviewed soon. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:*One of the two GA nominations was DYK in 2025, so that's a no go. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

*I've pulled together ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' and nominated it with a request to hold for Eid. If we get anything more specifically about Eid, great, but I think the link between the film and Islam is strong enough to make it a viable choice. (On an unrelated note, Kompas increased its database rates from 35k rupiah to 99k rupiah per article... this may be my last Indonesian article citing archival resources).&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:10, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
*I'm seeing that several of the [[Walisongo]] have minimal articles... 500 characters, give or take. I can probably take one up to a C or B class. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*:While the intention is good, this would be an Eid al-Fitr set and not an Indonesia set, so ideally we'd want multiple Islam-related articles from across various countries and regions. If we ever decide to have an Indonesia set on August 17, that at least would be a possibility. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Unfortunately, that is my area of expertise. I'm not saying we'd have to run them all, but Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim majority country, so two hooks would not be amiss. The only other topic that is coming to mind is about a fikh concept of spouses failing to do their duties, which would not be appropriate for Eid. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Some more thought needs to be put into identifying the &quot;theme&quot; of this set (see my comment below). The proposed hooks all have ties to Islam as a religion, but from what I can tell there is not a single proposed hook directly connected to the Eid al-Fitr festival. When we run a holiday set, it doesn't mean it is a catch all for other topics. I know Christmas was raised as a &quot;Christian holiday&quot; (although many of our hooks for Christmas are not religious as Christmas is also a secular holiday celebrated by non Christians) but we don't use Christmas themed sets to run hooks on theologians (unless they are directly Christmas connected) or on churches (unless again the hook is directly connected to Christmas), or Christian films in general (unless they are Christmas films). If we are going to just allow anything connected to Islam run we should just say so. Then we could just run it sometime during Ramadan in general and not necessarily have to tie it into Eid al-Fitr specifically. I also note there are articles being identified that are not even tied directly to Islam/religion, such as the [[Canal of Zubaidah]] (which I guess is sort of tied to Islam with the pilgrims thing but it is a stretch). The article selection is very odd. In future I would support an annual Ramadan set, but require all of the hooks to follow a Ramadan theme (ie not Islam in general but specific holiday themed hooks tied to Ramadan). It's probably too late to do that this year, but something to implement in 2027. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC) 
===Potential inclusions===
Splitting this off, so we can have an easier place to track.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:17, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
* ''[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Para Perintis Kemerdekaan|nom]]) - Indonesian film about Islam and revolution {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, film&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Kō Nakata]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Kō Nakata|nom]]) - Japanese Islamic scholar and light novel writer. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Japan, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Canal of Zubaidah]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Canal of Zubaidah|nom]])  {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Saudi Arabia, aqueduct&lt;/small&gt; 
* [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Baitul Amien Mosque|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Indonesia, mosque&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Forty hadith]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Forty hadith|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;general, literature&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Pieter van der Hoog]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Pieter van der Hoog|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Netherlands, travelogue writer&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Raşit Küçük]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Raşit Küçük|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;Turkey, Islamicist&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Intisar A. Rabb]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Intisar A. Rabb|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United States, fiqh/law&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Shukr (brand)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Shukr (brand)|nom]]) {{done}}&lt;small&gt;United Kingdom/Jordan, fashion&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Ramadan bazaar]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar|nom]]) &lt;small&gt;general, economics&lt;/small&gt;
* [[Awlad al-Imam]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Awlad al-Imam|nom]]) {{done}} &lt;small&gt;theology, history&lt;/small&gt; 

:I've just finished reviewing both of these nominations. They should be good to once the hook issues are addressed. For other interested editors, be on the lookout for Islam-related new creations. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:For those who are interested, {{u|ZI Jony}} has launched [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]]; hopefully we will have more options coming out of this project. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:56, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], thank you for the mention, I really appreciate it. And thanks to everyone for the encouragement and interest. This project will only grow stronger with your ideas, participation, and support. Looking forward to working together and making [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026]] a meaningful and collaborative effort. Warm Regards, [[User:ZI Jony|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#8B0000&quot;&gt;'''ZI Jony'''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:ZI Jony|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:Green&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Talk)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;]] 09:56, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

*Added another one, as well as notes about country and topic to make diversification easier. I realize that makes two Indonesia suggestions; the way I see it, if we have more than enough for a full set, we can run one at another time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 01:20, 21 February 2026 (UTC)
*New signature to avoid archiving.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 22:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. The hooks in most these do not appear to be directly related to the [[Eid al-Fitr]] festival. Simply being muslim or writing on an Islam related topic isn't clearly connected to Eid al-Fitr, anymore than writing on a Christian theologian would be about Christmas (we wouldn't accept that for Christmas hooks). I don't think these are meeting the intended targeted theme. If we are going to have an Eid al-Fitr set the hooks need to be directly linked to Eid al-Fitr. From what I am seeing, this has not been thought through. We need to either reject the topics clearly not related to Eid al-Fitr and create articles that are related to nominate (option 1); or change the targeted scope to reflect these nominations as encompassing of Islam in general (option 2); or abandon this idea altogether (option 3). I'm not supportive of continuing down the current path as is. Themed sets need to clearly implement the intended theme.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*:One reason for the apparent lack of &quot;theme&quot; is a reaction to the William &amp; Mary set. It was criticized for being too focused on one topic and mentioning the school's name repeatedly may have contributed to the set's poor reception. By having a set about Islam in general rather than just Eid, that would at least take into account the &quot;broad yet still themed&quot; idea. Also, while the set is planned to run on Eid al-Fitr, it was never intended to be a purely Eid set from the start but a general Islam set, just one that happens to run on the holiday. I don't recall us ever running an Islam-focused set before, so this would be a good time to try one out. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 03:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*::Exactly. Even Wiki Loves Ramadan, which benefits from the entire month, allows &quot;rich cultural practices, Islamic heritage, and biographies of significant Islamic figures&quot; rather than specifically things that occur during Ramadan. If you have any articles you feel are a better fit, please feel free to nominate them and mark them above. Unfortunately, neither Eid al-Adha nor Eid al-Fitr enjoy the same access to sources due to systemic bias{{sndash}}the average English Wikipedia editor knows little of Islam, nor the languages used in Muslim-majority countries where specific local Eid celebrations are practiced. Even with my background living in a Muslim majority country, I had to wrack my brain to come up with ideas that were geographically and thematically diverse.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok. I think we should refer to this as an “Islam themed set” going forward so it is clear that is the intended topic target. We can run it at the time of the 2026 Eid al-Fitr event but I would not refer to it as a “Eid al-Fitr set” as that is confusing for hook selection and submission purposes. We should be clear that the hook set theme is broadly the Islam religion.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 05:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
*{{ping|Crisco 1492}} [[Ramadan bazaar]] was recently created and was submitted to Wiki Loves Ramadan. It's Southeast Asia-related (mainly Malaysia/Singapore/Brunei rather than Indonesia), so it may have to replace one of the two approved Indonesia hooks. The article could use some copyediting or work but it seems to be promising for DYK. Maybe it can be nominated for DYK and considered? I can propose some hooks once it's been nominated. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 10:01, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
**Yeah, I saw that yesterday as well, though my concern was that the concept of a Ramadan bazaar is not exclusive to SE Asia ([https://www.arabnews.com/node/2634909/saudi-arabia example], [https://stayhappening.com/e/dallas-ramadan-bazaar-E2ISYA8UEII another example]). It's certainly worth nominating, though. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***Alright, it's nominated. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:40, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
***:One thing we have to keep in mind though is what to do if by the time the set runs, it is still two-sets a day. Would we need to run two sets, or just go back to one set temporarily? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 07:32, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
***::I think it makes sense to do one, similar to IWD. Mind, we don't seem to be in a state to run two right now anyways. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:46, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
***:::Seems [[1918 Massachusetts Question 1]] was (accidentally?) promoted to Prep 7 (which is the set currently scheduled for March 20); pinging {{u|Zzz plant}}, who promoted it. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 23:49, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
*:With time running out and there being just over a week until March 20, it would be good if someone could take a look at [[Ramadan bazaar]] and review it. Right now the article has multiple issues, including possible LLM use, so it might be tough for it to make it to the deadline. Of course, it could always run as a regular hook, but it would be a shame. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:00, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

*I've just promoted [[Awlad al-Imam]] to Prep 7, with one slot remaining. While I agree that Ramadan Bazaar would be nice to run (though I still have concerns about its global representation), I'm not sure it will be in a good enough condition on time. [[Al-Baitul Amien Mosque]] would be a second Indonesia hook, but the only mosque, while [[Pieter van der Hoog]] would be a fifth biography, but the only Dutch hook. Personally, I think van der Hoog's life is wild enough to do well even outside a special occasion hook, but either one would do if Ramadan bazaar doesn't make it in time.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:13, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I am thinking of resurrecting the [[Physics in the Quran]] article as it was deleted even though it was notable, and various sources were identified in the AfD. I will have lots of time next week to do so. '''[[User:EasternShah|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;Sahi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;''e''&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style=&quot;color:#fcd116;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#4a5d23;&quot;&gt;iran&lt;/span&gt;]]''', EasternShah 15:34, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Possible additional Islam-related articles which were created recently and could be the basis for hooks:
*:*{{annotated link|Xäsänğata Ğäbäşi}}
*:*{{annotated link|Sokoto Central Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Assyakirin}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islam at Harvard University}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Qadim Mosque}}
*:*{{annotated link|Masjid Maarof}}
*:*{{annotated link|Ar-Razzaq Islamic Center}}
*:*{{annotated link|Al-Dhari'a ila Usul al-Shari'a}}
*:*{{annotated link|Madrasa of Awlad al-Imam}}
*:*{{annotated link|Islamic Association of Raleigh}}
*:If [[Sokoto Central Mosque]] can be expanded a little and fully sourced I think it could be the best option. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 16:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

* Hi. Hope I am not too late. Can my request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Fenia (food)]] be considered here? Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 19:59, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
**Unrepresented country ''and'' food? It's perfect. I'll review now, if another prepper wants to make it the last hook in the set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:07, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
***Okay, review is done. Should be good to round off the set. We can send the unused items back to general population afterwards.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 20:53, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

===Date===
So, looking at various calendars, Eid is expected to be observed by many Muslims (readings of the moon may vary) on the evening of 19 March. I currently have 20 March pencilled in, as the first full day of Eid. Which date should we run this proposed set?&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:From what I understand, traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time. I'm seeing some conflicts on when Eid will start, if it's the evening of March 19 or the evening of March 20. So maybe Saudi time is what should be followed? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:*Looking it up, the Saudis [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/world/gulf/saudi-announces-eid-al-fitr-public-holiday-for-private-govt-sectors are still waiting to spot the crescent] to determine the date. I'm not sure how much forewarning we'd have. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:14, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::*Seems like most people are leaning towards the 20th for Eid.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 11:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{tq|traditionally if there is disagreement on an exact time or date among Muslims (whether it be when to break the fast or other matters), sometimes they will turn to Saudi time.}} I've never heard that before.  Is that a unique practice to your islands or something that has wider practice elsewhere? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:41, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I do remember hearing something about [[Mecca Time]], now that you mention it, but that was more than 20 years ago. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:46, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I had assumed they were talking about something like one of the options for [[Islam in the Arctic#Fasting during Ramadan|fasting during Ramadan in the Arctic]]. I hadn’t heard of Mecca Time before, interesting. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 08:47, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I remember that Mecca Time was brought up when that Malaysian astronaut went to the ISS many years ago. That was where I first heard of the concept as a &quot;neutral&quot; time in case of disagreement. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 08:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::*For Indonesia, at least, it seems to be common for [[Muhammadiyah]] and [[Nahdlatul Ulama]] to read the moon differently. Around 2011, I was taking some friends from Makassar around Yogyakarta; they leaned NU, while Yogya is predominantly Muhammadiyah. That year, the Muhammadiyah fast started one day before the NU fast, so my friends were still able to eat. [https://www.suara.com/lifestyle/2026/03/11/105234/apakah-lebaran-nu-dan-muhammadiyah-2026-jatuh-di-hari-yang-sama This article] suggests that Muhammadiyah is expected to celebrate on the 20th and NU is expected to celebrate on the 21st this year. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/when-is-eid-al-fitr-2026-why-the-celebration-date-could-suddenly-shift-overnight/ar-AA1XNxWb This MSN article] notes that dates also vary by location depending on moon sightings, and that viewing conditions will also affect the date.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:54, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

*Alright, set is built, though the date will require us to switch back to 24 hour sets. Thanks everyone for their contributions!&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 15:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
*:{{DYK admins}} Apologies for the late comment, but now I'm confused. I am seeing several countries saying they will celebrate Eid on March 21 (or really at sunset of March 20), while others will celebrate on March 20. Is it still proper to have the set tomorrow, or should it be pushed back by one day to March 21? My thinking is that the set should run when the majority of Muslims are celebrating Eid, but it's hard to sync with Wikipedia time since Eid always starts at sunset of the relevant day, but of course when that will be will depend on the country. If the set is pushed back to March 21, maybe it could be swapped with Queue 4 so Queue 4 runs tomorrow instead. Courtesy ping to {{u|Crisco 1492}}. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
*::Okay, skimming published news stories, the Saudis have set sunset on March 20th as the start of Eid this year... if we do midnight UTC on the 21st, that will cover much of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 20th as well as the start of Eid for Muslims recognizing the 21st. My hands are all over that set, so I don't want to be the one doing the switch. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 13:46, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

===Wrap-up===
Well, the day has passed and the set has run. Did we get any negative or positive feedback? How did the set and the individual hooks do? If the reception was good then perhaps we can make this set an annual thing ala Christmas/Halloween. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

:The last report at errors for DYK appears to have been 20th of March, so no complaints about this run. No stats up at [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders]] for the 21st as yet. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:00, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:It was a really good set! I have rather niche interests and typically find at least half of DYK deeply boring, but every hook was enticing etc. ! Excellent !!!! [[User:Aesurias|aesurias]] &lt;small&gt;''(ping me in your reply, or I won't see it)''  ([[User talk:Aesurias|talk]])&lt;/small&gt; 03:03, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:I saw a positive mention on the unofficial discord. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*I was anxious after seeing how much pushback Wiki Loves Ramadan got, but honestly it seems to have gone well. I'm very happy we pulled together such a diverse set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*:My main concern was that there would be complaints about us running an Islam-focused set, and regrettably there is still much discrimination about Islam especially online. I am relieved to see that those concerns have passed, because I was fearful that after the W&amp;M set brouhaha that our readers would no longer be receptive to special sets in general.
:*:Given the apparently positive reception, maybe we can also be open to the occasional special sets about other religions too? For example, would a Diwali set for November be appropriate? I don't think it is a good idea to make special sets too regular, since them being rare is part of what makes them &quot;special&quot;, but hopefully the experience from this can lead us to better understandings of what would make a better received set rather than things like the W&amp;M set, the St. James feast set, and the British royal family set. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:25, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:*::I'd definitely agree with this. Keep some eyes open for other religious holidays... hopefully we can pull together a set.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 04:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
====Statistics====
Here's how everything performed:
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
!Article
!Views
!VPH
!Hook
|-
|[[Kō Nakata]]
|9,324
|388.5
|... that &quot;Japan's most renowned Islamic scholar&quot; once wrote a light novel and a manga?
|-
|[[Canal of Zubaidah]]
|7,706
|321.1
|... that the Canal of Zubaidah, built on the order of a queen, provided water to Hajj pilgrims for over a thousand years?
|-
|[[Forty Hadith]] (image hook)
|7,538
|314.1
|... that works in the forty-hadith genre (example pictured)were produced based on a hadith promising special treatment on Judgement Day?
|-
|[[Pheni]]
|6,502
|270.9
|... that people in the Indian subcontinent eat a sweet dish resembling a bird's nest during Ramadan?
|-
|[[Awlad al-Imam]]
|4,678
|194.9
|... that the Awlad al-Imam were venerated for their knowledge and legacy, but none of their works have survived?
|-
|[[Intisar A. Rabb]]
|3,256
|135.7
|... that American academic Intisar A. Rabb was inspired by a Supreme Court blog to launch an online portal containing Sharia texts?
|-
|[[Raşit Küçük]]
|3,250
|135.4
|... that Raşit Küçük, a biographer of Muhammad, earned his doctorate exploring love?
|-
|[[Para Perintis Kemerdekaan]]
|2,932
|122.2
|... that one scholar read the film Para Perintis Kemerdekaan as offering a &quot;revolutionary Islam&quot; that seeks to emancipate women?
|-
|[[Shukr (brand)]]
|2,484
|103.5
|... that the Jordan-based fashion company Shukr sells clothing named after prominent Muslim women?
|}
Comparing it to February's median hook performances (more data as March is not yet done), one hook out-performed the median, while all other hooks underperformed. It did comparatively better than the W&amp;M set, as the worst-performing hook here out-performed five of that set's hooks. Drawing any meaningful conclusions from this is above my pay grade, but I'd recommend letting hooks appear thematically unrelated, even if the articles are part of a thematic set. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 02:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not totally surprised at the underperformance, it's been long well-known that readers have a bias against non-Anglophone or non-Western culture hooks. Still, it didn't do as badly as I thought it, and I guess it doing better than the W&amp;M hook is already an accomplishment. I'm also happy that we did not get any complaints from readers, which was my main fear rather than &quot;underperformance&quot;. And to be fair, even the worst-performing hook didn't do as badly as our normal bad-performing hooks (some of which can't even break 1-1.5k even on a 24-hour run). 
:I agree that, if we are to do this set again in the future, perhaps the variety should be more obvious, to the point that maybe Islam does not need to be completely emphasized. Pinging {{u|Crisco 1492}} for his thoughts, as well as {{u|Theleekycauldron}} to give her take. Perhaps we can also invite those who analyzed the W&amp;M set last month to give their own thoughts on what went right and what went wrong? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:32, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Well, 1brianm7 is right that the hooks mostly fall below median, but it's hard to know how much of it is due to the strength of the hooks individually and how much is due to the fact that it's a themed set. (Really. God. Let us do some A/B testing. Please.) [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:11, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What stopped us the last time we suggested A/B testing?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:15, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I think the three things we need to overcome are lack of a solid consensus, lack of a volunteer test case, and iffy technical infrastructure. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::If I could reshape DYK's technical infrastructure however I wanted, I'd do something like a scaled-up version of [[Wikipedia:Featured articles (linked from TFAfooter)]]. Create a template like {{t|DYK article link}} (or {{t|dykal}} for short) where &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;{{dykal|C. J. Cregg}}&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; produces a link to [[C. J. Cregg/DYK]], which will be a fully-protected redirect back up to [[C. J. Cregg]]. That way, the viewcount is unambiguous and we don't need to do hacky math to adjust for &quot;background views&quot;. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:32, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::That sounds sensible and all, but do we really want to live in a world where we can't say that -1,381 people clicked on [[Franco Mastantuono]] on the main page? [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 16:39, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::you're so right, i have no regrets. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:40, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd suggest doing that by numbers, for example [[Template:Did you know/Bold link 1]], [[Template:Bold link 2]], etc. That way, if any hooks need to be adjusted while live, we can change the numbers and that'll tell us what each version got.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::well, i think in that case, we could just do [[C. J. Cregg/DYK1]], [[C. J. Cregg/DYK2]], etc.; I'm hesitant to unchain it from the articles because it'll make it really finicky to swap and adjust stuff live. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 19:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*(ec) I'm not big on statistics myself, personally, as my paradigm has always been to introduce people to new subjects / topics. That being said, the fact that these items were all unequivocally about a subject that many Anglophones care little about could also be a factor{{mdash}}as Naruto notes, readers tend to avoid topics outside their normal interest area. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:I generally only click on links to topics outside my normal interest area as I actively seek out that info. This is because I learned many decades ago that the greatest insights do not come from where one's interest resides, but from outside of it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 19:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trans Day of Visibility ==

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Just putting this back as it [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 212#Trans Day of Visibility|got archived]]. Petras needs me to address the GA reviewer's comments and I'll probably do that tomorrow; Nokes and Trans Mission need reviews. There were other suggestions in the other thread that are of course welcome, though we have nine which (I believe) meet [[WP:DYKVAR]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:56, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm not a fan of the hooks for Hannah Nokes and Trans Mission (TM), although ALT1 for TM looks fine to me. Also the Nokes article appears to have some unusual material that misinterprets the original source.  I can review TM, but I think Nokes needs work before it is ready for DYK. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:19, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::Update: [[Trans Mission]] needs slight expansion before I can pass. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:14, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Might need someone else to pass now, as I just offered a hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:38, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Both hooks were approved.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
Petras now needs a review.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 07:38, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'll do the review. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 07:44, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
::Petras is approved. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nice one. And now we wait for the prep set to open.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 08:05, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
I've promoted two; the rest need adding to prep 7.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*I've promoted all but [[Marsha P. Johnson]], which I reviewed. Frankly I think it works well in the quirky slot as well, but I'll let whoever promotes make that decision. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I finished this article today [[The Methuen Drama Book of Trans Plays]] and will nominate it as usual, but I thought I would leave it here in case another potential hook is required (I remember there being discussion about lots of biography) [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:24, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:::One of the plays in that book is by Sharifa Yazmeen, who is already in that set. I would be uncomfortable putting the pair in the same set for the same reason. (It's part of the reason why I'm not especially rushing to do anything about [[hyperpop]]...)--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::That's very fair @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] - I don't mind when it runs at all [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 17:59, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
*:I've just promoted [[Marsha P. Johnson]] and I've put the hook in the quirky slot. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{yo|Crisco 1492|TarnishedPath}} Thank you both. I wonder, as Marsha is the only one that doesn't actually mention gender, I wonder if it's worth adding 'the trans rights activist' or similar to the front of the hook? No worries if not.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:57, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm ambivalent on that given that the term is often used by the right in a derogatory manner. If anyone else agrees with you, I'm more than happy to enact it though. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 10:01, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*I think the comment about sexuality highlights the link to the theme, and worry that trans rights activist would unintentionally negate her other activism.&amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::*:I don't think a person's gender is usually mentioned (I don't think it was for Trans day of Remembrance). Saying that, i did add Yazmeen's as it contributed to the hook being interesting. I think rather than adding more 'trans ...' perhaps some/all could be removed? [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 18:03, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::We don't usually per [[WP:DYKTRIM]]. Looking at the set, the two that have them (Yazmeen and Nokes), their transness contributes to interestingness; there weren't too many trans women about in 1936, for example. Were there others you had in mind?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I wonder about removing 'trans' from the Nadia Echazu hook (which i proposed tbf). I also wonder about removing 'for the trans community' from the Alice Litman hook? My perspective comes from one of the guidelines on writing about trans people, than we should focus on their achievements not their trans-ness where possible (although I can't find it right now). [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree with you on the Yazmeen and Nokes hooks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 21:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I just double checked the source for the &lt;s&gt;Litman&lt;/s&gt;Echazu hook and it actually says 'trans people'. The hook should probably say that instead, right? As for &quot;the Alice Litman hook&quot;, the bold article from that hook is actually the concert, and I'm now worried that that hook will divert readers to Litman's article (which I probably have ''just'' enough time to take through GARC, but would prefer to save for Trans Day of Remembrance). That hook should probably be swapped for the other one in the nomination.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:16, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::i couldnt reply yesterday, but i dont think it would divert [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 09:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{yo|Lajmmoore}} I think &quot;person died after 1,023 days of waiting for care&quot; is likely to get more views than &quot;concert pays tribute to person&quot;. I just rewrote Litman's article and nominated it for GA, any chance you could review?--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I meant Echazu's source, but in any event I got Litman through GA anyway and it's now in prep.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 15:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery|Tyren Montgomery]] ==

Can we get some opinions of others at the nomination please. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:06, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:I think the original hook is great. If it's not immediately clear due to regional understandings, then I'm sure alternate wording can be used. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:13, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't see how the original hook is interesting at all. Moving into a more serious style of play over time seems not only normal but explicitly baked into the way many youth sport tournaments are set up? That's even putting aside the sourcing concerns. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 04:48, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody goes from flag football to the NFL. The original hook is fantastic. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 05:15, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[[Jayden Daniels]] apparently did. No idea what others there may or may not be, although many NFL players are apparently [[Fanatics Flag Football Classic|playing it this weekend]]. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 05:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Daniels played Pop Warner at the age of seven and Montgomery played basketball.  Not sure how you missed this. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:04, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::None of that is in the hook. A basketball-related hook was even dismissed in the nom discussion. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 14:34, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I get the appeal of the hook, but I feel this is one of those cases where its interest is country-specific. American football isn't that popular internationally even if it's growing, so to a non-American or at least someone unfamiliar with American football, that rarity is not obvious even though people who are familiar with both may think they're similar. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 05:42, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think the big issue is a lot of the world isn't going to know what flag football is. When I first read it, without clicking on links, I thought it may be equivalent to what we call touch football in Australia (apparently there's the same thing in the US). Our hooks should try and appeal to a broad audience and try to not rely of regional understandings. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 08:00, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::So we are only running hooks where people already know the topic?  That's a new one on me.  I only read the hooks that I don't know anything about. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:05, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That's not what I meant. What [[WP:DYKINT]] states is that &quot;{{tq|The hook should be '''likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest''' in the topic.}}&quot; Without any specific knowledge, this just reads as 'bloke changed from one sport to another'. Hooks of that nature may be of interest if there is something more, e.g. that they competed at the highest level in the former sport before switching, but without something more it's not interesting. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:14, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I think I see the problem.  Nobody understands the hook other than a few people.  This is evident by CMDs reply above and yours. Montgomery did not change sports.  He's a basketball player who became a college football player after only playing flag football, leading him to become a NFL draft prospect.  Nobody has ever done this before, and I think it's the most unusual sports hook I've ever seen.  But apparently only the nom and I get it.  And I don't even like football. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:22, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I used to follow the codes here in Australia, so I have some understanding. As I said above though when I initially read &quot;flag football&quot;, I had no idea what that was. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:26, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::No worries.  I guess that's settled. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:27, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree completely with {{u|Viriditas}} that the original hook is the best. I personally had no idea what &quot;flag football&quot; was until I saw the hook and clicked on the link. That serves our fundamental purpose, which is to educate the reader. Also, it can't be argued that one needs to have any &quot;special knowledge&quot; to understand the hook when the link is provided right there in the hook itself. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 09:55, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

:As I wrote at the nom I'm not going to complain if someone else chooses to approve/promote it, which is why I've raised it here for other views. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
* Agree with Viriditas, Gatoclass, and Beaniefan that the original hook is best. 
: As an aside, there is an argument that has been advanced by some in the last couple years that gridiron football is a niche topic and that hooks focusing on that sport should be very closely scrutinized -- often resulting in the neutering of strong hooks to replace them with watered-down hooks. This argument is based on the misunderstanding that gridiron football doesn't appeal to a broad audience in the English-speaking world. Per our [[List of professional sports leagues by revenue]], the NFL by itself generates $19.1 billion annually. The top 50 US college football programs generate another $5 billion annually in revenues. See [https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Football/ here]. That's roughly $25 billion for the NFL and top tier college football. These gridiron football revenues are almost double the revenues generated by all of the association football leagues in the English-speaking world '''''combined''''': Premier League ($7.7 billion), Major League Soccer ($2.2 billion), Indian Premier League ($1.9 billion), English Football League Championship ($1.0 billion), Scottish Premiership ($0.3 billion), English Football League One (,$0.2 billion), and National Women's Soccer League ($0.2 billion). [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 11:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::This is not exactly a DYK thing, but I have to disagree that valuation is a good measure of proving that American football is relevant worldwide. Those high valuations have more to do with the money that goes into the NFL and college football in what is the world's richest country, and how big the sport is there, as opposed to any international traction. It is true that the NFL International Series and other efforts have helped spread the sport internationally, but for the most part the sport is still niche outside of North America and maybe select markets like Germany and the UK. I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally. I imagine that most people worldwide might only be able to name a handful of active or former American footballers: probably some mix of Tom Brady, Travis Kelce, and OJ Simpson. I'm not even sure if people like Mahomes and both Mannings are well-known internationally outside of sporting circles. 
::There's also the elephant in the room that editors who tend to emphasize American football's visibility worldwide tend to be Americans themselves, so their view of how popular the sport is or at least recognized around the world is skewed. When I imagine &quot;would this appeal to an international audience?&quot;, I do not think of readers in the US, Canada, the UK, or Australia. I think of places like India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Nigeria, and so on. A more broad view if you will. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{tq| I think one more accurate representation is to have a thought experiment about which American football players are known internationally.}}
:::The only one I know of is [[Travis Kelce]] and that's only because he's [[Tailor Swift]]'s boyfriend. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common occurrence outside of the Us. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:57, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I only know O.J. Simpson, but that's because of the court case; and I'm a lapsed Juventino, have been to Wimbledon, and seen the [[Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks|Daiei Hawks]], [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]], and [[Asashōryū Akinori|Asashōryū]] in action, so it's not that I don't like sport; I doubt anyone I know knows anyone other than OJ, if they can remember he plays a variant of rugby, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Pretty much. In fact, I imagine many people internationally who know Simpson only do so because of the case or maybe his acting career, and may not even know he was an American football player, let alone what team he played for (the Bills). I also imagine that Kelce is mainly known internationally for his relationship and not for his sporting career. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:07, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::* The &quot;top of the head&quot; thought experiment above misses the fundamental purpose of DYK. Our focus should be on whether the hook is interesting. Boring hooks should be discouraged whether the topic is niche or mainstream, but we absolutely should not limit DYK eligibility, or apply heightened scrutiny to hooks, based on how many participants in a category we can name off the top of our heads. I can't off the top of my head name more than a handful of bluegrass banjo players ([[Earl Scruggs|Scruggs]], [[Béla Fleck|Fleck]]), Australian wildlife species ([[kangaroo]], [[wombat]], [[koala]]), whirling devishes ([[Rana Gorgani|Gorgani]]), Scottish foods ([[haggis]]), South American rivers ([[Amazon River|Amazon]], [[Magdalena River|Magdalena]], [[Orinoco]]), archers ([[Robin Hood]], [[Russ Hoogerhyde|Hoogerhyde]]), Indian prime ministers ([[Jawaharlal Nehru|Nehru]],[[Indira Gandhi]], [[Narendra Modi|Modi]]), Italian tenors ([[Luciano Pavarotti|Pavarotti]], [[Andrea Bocelli|Bocelli]], [[Plácido Domingo|Domingo]], [[Enrico Caruso|Caruso]]), anime artists ([[Hayao Miyazaki|Miyazaki]]), or rocket scientists ([[Wernher von Braun|von Braun]], [[Robert H. Goddard|Goddard]])). These might all be characterized as &quot;niche&quot; topics, but the beauty of DYK is that it allows us to draw our readers into all kinds of topics, including those that our readers may already be passionate about and others that they may know little or nothing about. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 09:56, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::*:The point wasn't banning &quot;niche&quot; topics. We run hooks on them all the time. The point is that the hook has to be understood by people not in the know, even if they are unfamiliar with the topic. Basically, do not be too reliant on &quot;insider&quot; knowledge. [[WP:DYKINT]], for all its flaws, gives a good idea of what the ideal is. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:00, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::The other elephant in the room is that sports hooks in general tend to be challenged, not just American football, it just so happens that we get more American football hooks than any other sport apart from soccer/association football. When it comes to sports hooks, for example, I tend to have this perspective: would a person who doesn't know much, if anything, about sports, understand it? It isn't an American football-specific thing: I have also scrutinized soccer hooks despite it being the world's most popular sport and having a wider reach. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:49, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Nobody has objected to the nicheness of gridiron here, I don't think we should go off topic on this tangent. This is not ITN, we do niche topics all the time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:56, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I was specifically referring to the concern of DYK &quot;unfairly&quot; scrutinizing American football specifically, when in reality the issue is general rather than sport specific. I think one recurring issue is that these sport hooks tend to focus on sport-specific terminology or contexts, as opposed to something aimed at a broader audience. That is not always an issue: for example, hooks about unusual scores and the like. But it can be a challenge. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:42, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Never heard of flag football, but if there's a link (realistically, I'm not going to click on the individual), isn't that the point of DYK; I didn't know, now I do, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
: Could we get some comments at the nomination? Another option would be something like ... that current [[NFL draft]] prospect '''[[Tyren Montgomery]]''' only played [[flag football]] and basketball before 2023? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 21:08, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::All I can tell you is that your original hook made me want to click on it and learn more even though I'm not an American football fan. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:46, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I likewise think my original hook is very interesting. That said, it is needed for ''some'' hook to get approval at the nom or else someone will be rejecting it as timed out in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 22:04, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: {{ping|Viriditas|Cbl62|Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Gatoclass}} If any of you find any of the hooks interesting, could you please comment at the nom? Otherwise someone is almost certainly going to fail it in a few days. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:49, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Should [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|The World Is to Dig]] be reopened? ==

I rejected a nomination at [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] because it did not meet the requirements of DYKNEW or a 5x expansion. (It was nominated 11 days after its 5x expansion began, and it fell short of the 5x threshold within the 7 days prior to expansion.) While DYKG grants reviewers discretion of &quot;a day or two&quot; for late nominations, it doesn't appear to grant any discretion on 5x expansion length or to flex up to four days. Since it appeared to be a bright-line matter of ineligibility, I quickfailed the nomination. At the nominator's talk page, {{u|Launchballer}} disagreed with my assessment and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Twists_and_Turns&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344810969 asked] me to reopen it. Since {{u|Zzz plant}} has already closed it, I don't believe I should unilaterally reopen absent consensus to do so, and I remain unconvinced that the article's failure to meet the newness or length thresholds for a 5x expansion is a matter on which an individual reviewer can bend guidelines. However, I know that the community can grant exceptions by consensus, so I am bringing it here to see if the community prefers to grant an exception and reopen the nomination. I'll be happy with whatever consensus the community reaches. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:This kind of thing has come up several times before, and while you are clearly adhering to the letter of the rules, there should be a bit of leeway here since the threshold can be easily met and the nominator only has five hooks under their belt. We should default to making a good faith effort to help them meet the word limit as this was a same day nom and rejection. The hook does not work for me, so that's an additional problem that needs to be met.  I would favor giving them the benefit of the doubt, reopening the nom, and allowing them a few days to fix the issue and offer a new hook rather than rejecting right away in this instance. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:59, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:In this case I'm tempted to give the user a little leeway, seeing that she's still relatively new to the DYK process and may not have known that these are minimum requirements or maximum timelines. 4.77× expansion isn't all that far away from 5× expansion, and I can let a few days' lateness slide for first time nominators. [[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt)]] ([[User talk:Accessedgrant|talk]]) 01:12, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I think Dclemens1971's review was reasonable and fair based on the guidelines. However, I don't object at all if others wish to reopen the nomination to see if a more compelling hook can be proposed. That said, I do have a different question regarding the subject matter: is there specific guidance about featuring articles on upcoming works? Since the album has not been released yet, I wonder if [[WP:DYKCOMPLETE]] comes into play here. Much like how an upcoming book or film probably wouldn't be featured if it lacked a basic plot summary, I'm curious if a complete article is possible for an album that hasn't yet debuted and received critical reception. [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 01:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats a great question. Does DYK usually put such noms on hold until the subject of the hook is released? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_209#WP:PROMOTION|discussion on this]] from a few months ago didn't reach a conclusion. My two cents is that rejecting encyclopedic articles on unreleased works that are otherwise DYK-compliant for being about unreleased works only encourages nominators to not write encyclopedic content about unreleased works. I'd say either run them, waive WP:DYKNEW requirements and allow them nominated after the work is released, or put the noms on hold until after the work is released. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I would agree it's DYKCOMPLETE specifically at this present time, and hopefully at the time it is on the Main Page. Releasing a hook alongside the album's release raises promotional questions. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:50, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::My understanding is that DYKCOMPLETE should not be strictly applied to upcoming works, provided that the information is already relatively &quot;complete&quot; at the time of creation or nomination. Needing to wait could be a bit of a WP:CRYSTAL case, as you may never know what new information is coming up in the first place. It's like how we already waive DYKCOMPLETE for cases where the information is simply not available in any sources, for example biographies about people where there is simply nothing known about their personal life.
::I also do not necessarily think that running a hook to coincide with the release is automatically &quot;promotional&quot;, as it depends on what the hook itself is. The SOHA guidelines only says that a hook should not unduly focus on a commercial release date, but it does not say that running a hook on a specific date is itself promotional.
::While I am sympathetic to the idea of waiving the requirements for a QPQ-ineligible editor, my main concern at the moment is if there is even a usable hook or hook fact at the moment. As Viriditas stated, we cannot just simply re-open the nomination and run the originally proposed hook as is, a new hook needs to be proposed anyway. My concern is that the nomination may end up being a futile timesink if it is reopened but an appropriate hook is not able to be proposed regardless. I suggest that, before the nomination is reopened, that a new hook first be proposed, either by the nominator or by anyone in this discussion, whether here or on another page. If there is agreement on that new hook, only then is the closure reverted. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:03, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Launchballer|Viriditas|Epicgenius}} As you are open to the nomination being reopened, could any of you provide alternative hook suggestions, or perhaps invite the nominator here to ask for feedback regarding a new hook? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with the sinkhole.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I was thinking the sinkhole as well. Maybe also something about how &quot;he wrote &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; as a celebration of the Wu-Tang Clan but in the form of a completely unrelated genre&quot;. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:10, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Courtesy ping to the nominator as well, {{u|The Twists and Turns}} (sorry I neglected to ping earlier). It appears there is consensus to grant an exception on eligibility but also desire to ensure there's a suitable hook now rather than waiting for further review. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 18:31, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Hi. Yes, the DYK nomination hook can instead be &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot; or something like that. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:17, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Another option is for it to be &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]] from ''[[The Washington Post]]'' but is now of [[Yosemite Valley]]?&quot; ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'd end the sinkhole hook at that word per [[WP:DYKTRIM]], but I'm fine with that hook.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:53, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you! Here is a trimmed version: &quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:00, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I confess I don't find that at all interesting, but I won't object if someone else wants to approve it. Going to reopen the nomination and request a new review should any interested party wish to take it up. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you for letting us know. I just made an edit to the article and added more information about the sinkhole photo from the interview citation. Let me know what you think.
:::::::::Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]] (Just fyi, Accessedgrant is me.) I think either of the hooks you provided are fine. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], okay thank you! &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:25, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::No problem. To be clear I mean the following:
::::::::::::* &quot;Did you know that... [[John Linnell]] wrote the song &quot;Wu-Tang&quot; from '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' as a celebration of the [[Wu-Tang Clan]]?&quot;
::::::::::::* &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''' is now of [[Yosemite Valley]] though it was almost a photo of a [[sinkhole]]? (I would reword this slightly to &quot;&quot;Did you know that... the album cover for '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;)
:::::::::::: &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I agree, that rewording makes it a lot better. Thanks! ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:30, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Here is the final hook:
::::::::::::::&quot;Did you know that... the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;
::::::::::::::(I changed a few things about it)
::::::::::::::(Pinged: @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:Accessedgrant|Accessedgrant]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]], @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], and @[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], looks good, but were you aware that [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig]] was reopened? You can propose the hook there and a reviewer will look at it. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 20:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Yes, I am aware of the DYK nomination template's reopening, and I will do propose the new hook now. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], when do you think is the closest day that this nomination could be on the [[Main Page|main page]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]], honestly it really depends, but assuming it were approved within 24 hours and immediately promoted to a prep, about 2 weeks. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 21:04, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Oh okay, thank you. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]], does someone other than one in this discussion need to review the DYK nomination? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::It can be reviewed by any uninvolved editor. If someone who participated in this discussion and hasn't commented on the nomination yet wants to review it, they can do so. &amp;ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 22:51, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Okay, sounds good. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 22:54, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|The Twists and Turns}} Just to make things clear: this is a one-time exemption given you are new to DYK: your future nominations are required to be nominated within seven days of eligibility, and lateness is unlikely to be given leniency next time. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], yes, I understand. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::@[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], would you like to be the reviewer of [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the DYK nomination]] for ''The World Is to Dig'' that I have nominated for [[Wikipedia:Did You Know|Did You Know]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:44, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm not entirely sure how to but I would be willing to. [[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]] ([[User talk:IzzySwag|talk]]) 19:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thank you! If need information on how the review a DYK nomination you can learn more about it here: [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Reviewing a nomination]]. ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::(Pinging: @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]]) ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|15}} Oops, sorry @[[User:IzzySwag|IzzySwag]], I didn't realize that on the [[Template talk:Did you know]] it says,

&quot;Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria.&quot;

I think someone else might need to review it. Would anyone like to review the [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|the nomination]]? ''[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;&quot;&gt;The Twists and Turns&lt;/span&gt;]]'' [[User talk:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 20:11, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Mudwater}} I have nominated ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'' for a DYK nomination and am wondering if you'd like to review it. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:26, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I would like for someone who has edited the article and is aware of it to do the nomination. {{ping|CharlesMichael2002|PBugaboo}} Would you like to do the DYK nomination that I've nominated to ''[[The World Is to Dig]]''? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] I'd be honored! What do I have to do? [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{ping|CharlesMichael2002}} Here are pages that have information on how to review a DYK nomination: [[Template talk:Did you know]], [[Template:Did you know]], and [[Wikipedia:Did you know]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:51, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, the DYK nomination is [[Template:Did you know nominations/The World Is to Dig|here]]. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Sorry it took me awhile, I got a bit busy there. I just tried nominating the article but just got: &quot;Creating nomination page: Failed to save edit: The page you tried to create has been created already.&quot; [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Instead of trying to create a new nomination for ''[[The World Is to Dig]]'', please modify my nomination and review the hook. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]] Okay, I just did that! [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::The review is complete! Thank you very much! – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::My pleasure. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] The hook you reviewed is this one: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot; right? – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Shit. The nomination page is already closed. This is so confusing. I'm so sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 00:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been reopened. You can do it again now. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 00:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Okay, I've fixed it. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I believe (if they survived) some of my edits would be part of the 5x expansion of the article, so it might be a potential conflict of interest for me to approve. I can see further down in this conversation there is some concern about involved editors and first time reviewers. I think it would be appropriate for me to recuse myself from the approval. I will weigh in to say the wording of the current hook proposal could be interpreted as “the album … was almost a sinkhole” Perhaps this would be accurate:  “… that the album cover of The World is to Dig almost depicted a sinkhole”, something that specifically ties the sinkhole to the album art rather than the album itself
:::Apologies if this creates more problems than it solves, and I appreciate that you reached out. Given experienced editors are involved in the proposal I am sure it will in due course be approved [[User:PBugaboo|PBugaboo]] ([[User talk:PBugaboo|talk]]) 08:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think it would be a COI if you reviewed the nomination. Also, the current hook right now is: &quot;Did you know ... that the album cover of '''''[[The World Is to Dig]]''''', which depicts [[Yosemite Valley]], was almost of a [[sinkhole]]?&quot;. It is called &quot;ALT1&quot; if you scroll down in the nomination. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 17:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
{{outdent|14}}
@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]]: Thanks, it's better now but you replaced the old hook with the new one. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Okay, now it's fixed. – [[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;|[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]], thank you for completing the nomination! @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], may I close it now? &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Floating Orb|Floating Orb]], since you are a major contributor to the article, you should not be involved in promoting it per [[WP:DYKPBR]]. Please leave it for a promoter who is not involved with the article. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. Okay, thanks for letting me know. &lt;small&gt;'''[[User:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;Floating Orb&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/small&gt; ''[[User talk:Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: green;&quot;&gt;Talk!&lt;/span&gt;]]'' &lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Floating Orb|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I have some concerns here. The nominator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346085481 personally solicited a review from someone who had edited the article], and the review was a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/The_World_Is_to_Dig&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346112500 series of checkmarks with no comments] by a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&amp;target=CharlesMichael2002&amp;namespace=10&amp;tagfilter=&amp;start=&amp;end=&amp;limit=50 first-time DYK reviewer]. Not saying the review isn't valid, but it warrants a careful check by the editors who promote and queue it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: Oh okay. This is my first time nominating an article for DYK; I won't ask specifically for someone, especially one who already edited the article, to do the reviewing again. Thanks for pointing that out. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 01:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. Sorry. [[User:CharlesMichael2002|CharlesMichael2002]] ([[User talk:CharlesMichael2002|talk]]) 01:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: We might need to completely refresh the nomination and reviewing of ''The World Is to Dig''. –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]: What do you think we should do about this nomination? –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm going to request a fresh reviewer. @[[User:The Twists and Turns|The Twists and Turns]]: please be patient and do not solicit individual editors, particularly those unfamiliar with the requirements of DYK, to review the hook. An uninvolved reviewer will get to it in time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 19:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you! –[[User:The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:orange;font-family:Corbel;&quot;&gt;&lt;big&gt;''The Twists and Turns''&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;span style=&quot;color:green;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#124;[[Special:Contributions/The Twists and Turns|&lt;span style=&quot;color:purple;&quot;&gt;my edits&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 6|Prep 6]] (27 March 2026) ==

=== [[Donuts (album)]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Donuts (album)|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5}} Can anyone else take a look as I reviewed this one? I want to move the set to queue [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:27, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll take a look.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:28, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:ok. [[User:RTSthestardust|RTSthestardust]] ([[User talk:RTSthestardust|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Two sentences were straight out of a source, but I removed them myself for a different reason. This is good to go.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Ltbdl&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|RTSthestardust&lt;!--creator--&gt;|JudeHalley|Morogris|Narutolovehinata5|HurricaneZeta}} Can we change the hook? The entire story about ''Donuts''{{'s}} recording has very conflicting accounts, and massive doubt has been primarily put on Dilla recording/producing the album in the hospital. [[User:LunaEclipse|&lt;span style=&quot;color: purple;&quot;&gt;🌙'''Eclipse'''&lt;/span&gt;]] (she/they/it • [[User talk:LunaEclipse|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LunaEclipse|edits]])  16:30, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:LunaEclipse|LunaEclipse]]: what do you mean by {{tq|very conflicting accounts}}? [[user:ltbdl|ltbdl]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|write]]) 16:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

=== [[Rickrolling]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Rickrolling|nom]]) ===
Should [[Rickrolling]] run with the image hook? The use of a QR code for the image slot was originally proposed with the hook &quot;you just got rickrolled&quot;, so it fit well with the obvious rickroll. The accepted hook—my original proposal—is intended to be more subtle by not using the word &quot;rickroll&quot;, so I think it would be best to run the hook without the image. (Many readers will expect a QR code to be a rickroll, so it's too obvious.) Pinging the hook reviewer {{ping|Miraclepine|p=}} and the promoter {{ping|TarnishedPath|p=}}. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

:On one hand, having the rickroll QR code would be in line with the spirit of the meme, in an interactive sort of way. On the other hand, I can understand why people would realize it's a prank just because of the QR or also question the idea of having such humor just outside of AFD (though we've had bizarre hooks outside of AFD often here and there). Yeah, I'm on the fence here even with my personal inclinations to run the image. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 18:14, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm good with it being moved to a non-image hook. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:18, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I’ve never heard of a QR code being a rickroll before and thought it was an excellent idea, but my experience is clearly different. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 08:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Do we have consensus on whether or not to use the QR code image? The hook is scheduled to run in less than two days. Personally, I would suggest not using it as an image hook since the QR code would likely raise suspicion and perhaps even give away the surprise. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'd think it would be amazing if the QR code was kept but the hook itself was moved into a non-image slot,  with the hook not referencing the image itself. &lt;big&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User:EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''E'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/big&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''F'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/EF5|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#A188FC;&quot;&gt;'''5'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sub&gt;  15:06, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Agreed, that would be funny [[User:EvanTech10|EvanTech10]] ([[User talk:EvanTech10|talk]]) 01:37, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Given the state of the discussion, the fact it is schedule to run tomorrow, and how there are no free preps to bump it off too, I have temporarily pulled the hook until we gain a consensus on whether or not the hook should run without an image. Discussion can continue on the nom page. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:55, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::For the record, I've responded at the nom. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 03:28, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::ALT0e has been prepared. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:This is running before 1 April? [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 03:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Personally, I think it's highly unlikely with the image given all the image slots before that date are full. [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 20:56, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Twice a day? ==

@[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]], I've noticed that you've moved preps 7, 1 and 2 to 3, 4 and 5 respectively. Was that in preperation for moving to 12 hour sets. If so do {{DYK admins}} need to move to 12 hour sets? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:We still have multiple open Preps so I don't think we need to move to two-hour sets just yet. Right now the agreement seems to be to go 12-hour only for April Fools' Day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes, we ended yesterday on seven. I moved [[Template:Did you know nominations/Asma Nadia|Asma Nadia]] while I was at it.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 00:12, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Let's do it then. We've got 6 full Queues just after midnight UTC and we've got a backlog of approved noms which is causing PEIS issues. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:14, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{@DYK admins}} as there were six filled queues immediately after the midnight update, per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] could an admin adjust [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]]? I'd do it myself, but it's fully-protected, not template-protected. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:40, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. I hope everyone's ready for the extra workload this will involve! &amp;nbsp;&amp;mdash;&amp;nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] {{DYK admins}} Sorry guys, I know it is probably too late since it is already on the main page, but [[KonoSuba]] was supposed to run tomorrow (March 25) instead of now. I had requested a special occasion hook for March 25, and it seems to have been missed due to the switch. I wasn't able to bring it up in time since I thought the switch wouldn't be until tomorrow. I realize that it may be too late, but would it be possible to swap it with a hook from the next set? Everything was so last minute so I apologize for this request (I just got the DYK credit now). [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:20, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Courtesy ping to {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|TarnishedPath}} as the ones who handled the switch to two a day. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], sorry I missed this. {{DYK admins}} I support Narutolovehinata5's request as the editor who moved it to what was previously supposed to be a March 25 set, given that the changeover has only just happened. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:24, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. If the swap happens in time, will the credits have to be pulled and then re-added tomorrow, or will they stay as is? Due to what just happen I imagine the credits will be an issue. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I have no idea. Thinking about that is above my pay grade. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:34, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I've made the swap and sent out credits for the new hook, agreed that I'm not sure of what to do with the old credits though! [[User:Sohom Datta|&lt;b class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color:#795cb2; display: inline-block; transform: rotate(0.3deg)&quot;&gt;Sohom&lt;/b&gt;]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|&lt;span class=&quot;skin-invert&quot; style=&quot;color: #36c;&quot;&gt;talk&lt;/span&gt;]]) 12:43, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I was wondering if, next time, we should only do swaps at midnight UTC to avoid cases like this. That way, we can be less likely to run special occasion hooks early or be less likely to be out of sync. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:45, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::My first comment in this thread pinged DYK admins just after midnight. The issue is we're not guartanned that any DYK admins are going to be online around midnight UTC, hense Amakuru not implementing it until about 10:47am UTC. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:We've gone for three days now and there are only two full queues at present. Unless there is an immediate change to that situation, then per [[WP:DYKROTATE]] we should probably go back to 24 hour sets. Pinging {{DYK admins}}. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done. —[[User:Kusma|Kusma]] ([[User talk:Kusma|talk]]) 07:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== April Fools Day sets ==

April's Fools is quietly sneaking up on us and we've currently got 20 hooks to choose from. See [[Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know]]. If nothing changes between now and then it will happen on Prep 1. Do we want to do 2 12 hour sets, which would potentially take up Prep 1 and 2? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:Suggest running two regardless of [[WP:DYKROTATE]].--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:11, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{+1}} [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:02, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've promoted all aside from the two that I'm involved with; could someone take a look at them? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 09:56, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{done}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

===[[Moth joke]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Moth joke|nom]])===
* ... that a '''[[moth joke|moth]]''' flew into a [[podiatrist]]'s office because the light was on?
I get it is April Fools Day so we are waiving most of our rules, but doesn't the hook as written technically violate DYKFICTION? Or is that being waived per AFD and IAR? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 00:16, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Moths are attracted to light, [[Phototaxis|which is a fact]], not fiction.  As for the joke, that's not the fiction part of it, so technically it complies. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::The specific event never ovcurred. This is blatantly fictional. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:08, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Really? A moth never flew into a podiatrist office because it was attracted to the light? I would guess it has happened more than 20,000 times. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:23, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::::The statement doesn't refer to the general phenomenon, it refers to a specific fictional account. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 13:27, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That's an unusual, highly literal reading of a joke.  The reason jokes are funny, for the most part, is because they ''don't'' refer to a specific account, but to a general, stereotypical experience that everyone can identify with and understand. So we are really talking about [[archetype]]s, which is the realm of myth, not fiction.  In that case, the original hook works. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the joke refers to an archetype. The blurb refers to the joke itself. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]] ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:11, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::Only applies if it makes the encyclopedia better. This doesn't. This makes us liars. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 15:09, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I don't think that our featuring a joke on April Fool's Day &quot;makes us liars.&quot; An occasional dose of humor can make the encylopedia better. ''[[It's a Joke, Son!]]'' [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 17:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: {{+1}} It's not fiction that Norm MacDonald told this joke. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 21:35, 24 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Which is not what the blurb states, so your point is irrelevant.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 17:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::The hook summarizes the punchline of a joke. It is a near-obtuse literalist reading to imagine the hook should be read as summarizing an actual event. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 03:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It does no such thing. It makes a statement of fact. That statement is either banal to the point of &quot;why are we posting this?&quot; or is a claim about a specific fictionsl eveng.--[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 16:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I agree that this definitely violates DYKFICTION, as the statement is clearly part of a fictional narrative. The opposing arguments in this thread are saying it should be kept because it's funny, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. There are a lot of funny jokes—there's no reason that this joke, specifically, warrants a DYK exception. I think we should have a hook that conveys the absurd joke while placing it in the context of being told to an audience. I propose:
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:&lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::The argument was that it wasn't DYKFICTION because it was technically telling that the joke existed, or at least that was the intention, but I'm not convinced.
::Anyway, we have three supports vs. three opposes in running the current wording, so that doesn't seem like a consensus either way. Maybe we need to ask if VCP's suggestion satisfies the concerns or not. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::It technically meets [[WP:DYKDEFINITE]] and doesn't run afoul of [[WP:DYKFICTION]], but I don't think it's as good. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We will need to make a decision either way, since AFD is in a few days. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::I will backtrack on my argument a little bit. It appears that there is precedent for fictional jokes to be included in DYKAPRIL hooks—specifically, DYKAPRIL 2021 said &quot;that Mr. Spock [[ate my balls]]&quot;. This is obviously not a fact, as as the fictional Mr. Spock would be unable to eat the testicles of a DYK writer,{{cn}} but the hook was run with no complaints. So the prior consensus apparently is to allow such jokes. But, in case this discussion changes the consensus, I think my ALT proposal will be an acceptable backup. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 02:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since there's little time, pinging editors who commented: {{ping|Viriditas|Khajidha|Cbl62|Dclemens1971}} on if VCP's suggestion
:* ... that an audience cheered after being told &quot;'''[[Moth joke|the light was on]]'''&quot;?
:works. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::'''ALTx:''' &quot;... that an anthropologist studied the '''[[moth joke]]'''? [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::X studied Y is not [[WP:DYKINT|interesting]]. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I thought the original was appropriate in the context of April Fool's and I don't have time to workshop another one with everyone. The critics can drive the bus here. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 22:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The original is the best. VCP's suggestion is passable. ALTx doesn't work at all for AFD. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:05, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:::The issue is there is a conflict in wording: is it a DYKFICTION violation to report the joke as is? The wording itself would violate DYKFICTION under normal circumstances, but the argument is that it states that the joke exists. Those conflict and we have to pick which fits. I get it is AFD, but given how we have been strict with similar cases before and DYKFICTION specifically says saying something is fictional doesn't count, I have reservations about IAR applying. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:35, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::::As I said in my above comment, humor deals with archetypes.  This means it falls under mythology, not fiction. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:41, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::I find this much better than the original. --[[User:Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Khajidha|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:My understanding of [[WP:DYKFICTION]] is that it exists because you can say many interesting things about fictional works because it is fiction, and that says nothing about the work itself. We have exceptions for video games and mythology because the fact that a game is designed with an underwear meter or that many people believe(d)  something ''is'' interesting. DYKFICTION has exactly nothing to do with concerns of us &quot;lying&quot; to people. So, the question of this hook: is it interesting that a joke was constructed around a moth flying into a podiatrist's office. IMO, yes. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 01:52, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::DYKFICTION is not necessarily just about hook facts but also the way they are worded. The same hook fact can lead to either DYKFICTION compliant or failing hooks depending on how they are phrased or contextualized. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 01:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:Given that AFD is in two days and there is no consensus forming (we have to switch to 12 hour sets before then, which means the queues need to be full), I {{pulled|pulled}} this hook. [[Rickrolling]] is the only other one that can be slotted in, and it has one hook pending review {{@DYK admins}} [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I'm leaving a note here to say that I disagree with this action. There does not appear to be consensus in this or any other discussion to pull this hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] Alright, feel free to revert that. Though if rickrolling isn't running this year I'm confused as to what to do - run it with 8 hooks? or try to make another hook in these two days? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Run it with 8 other hooks on another day. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::What about this (the second AFD) set? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], do you still have a preference for your hook not to run on April Fools'? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that is still my preference. As I stated in previous discussions, I believe a rickroll DYK would be less effective on April Fools' Day. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;— &lt;span style=&quot;font-family: monospace;&quot;&gt;[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|'''Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧''']]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|talk]] &amp;#124; [[Special:Contribs/Vigilantcosmicpenguin|contribs]])&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 03:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::The Rickrolling nominator has specifically stated that they don't want it to run on AFD this year as they intend to take it to FA and have it run on AFD next year. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Is this a joke? Either the original proceeds or I'm pulling the nom. I won't be compromising on this. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I have absolutely no idea why there is being such a huge deal made about something that is like 99.9999999999999999% likely not to end up at errors, given that our readers will know it is is April's Fools Day. This really is absurd and smacks of us being bueurocratic. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:16, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::If we don't want to feature one of the funniest jokes ever told because we think readers are too dumb to understand it's AFD, then we should just do away with AFD on wiki. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 12:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I've repromoted it. If someone else wants to pull it again, I can't stop them. However, if they do they should probably reject it completely. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I queued it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:39, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::For what it's worth, I don't find the hook funny. 
::::::I've re-pulled the hook mainly because isn't any real consensus that the concerns have been resolved, and the nominator's preference does not automatically mean consensus. Since AFD is in less than two days it might be a good idea to try a different compromise wording and go with the moth fact without violating DYKFICTION. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::How about running the set with only 8 hooks? I think this is a [[WP:NOTBURO]] situation, and numerically more people support the hook running as is, but if we don't reach an agreement we can't run it. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I think we can simply go with VCP's suggestion if there is still a desire to see it run on AFD. Some said it's weaker, but I would prefer a weaker hook than an article not running on DYK at all. I also disagree it's a weak hook, but more importantly it lacks the DYKFICTION baggage of the moth angle. At least here it's clear that the audience clapping really happened. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Nope. I'm not okay with that. It's the original hook or I'm withdrawing the nom. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::What do you have against VCP's suggestion? It's a fine hook, doesn't violate DYKFICTION, and at least one other editor thinks it's better than the original. I wouldn't necessarily say that the original hook is &quot;one of the funniest jokes ever told&quot; because humor is subjective, and what one person or audience finds funny can fall flat with another. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 13:58, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{tq|because humor is subjective}} Then why the hell do we do AFD to begin with. Why aren't you raising this objection to every single hook? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I think this objection is absurd and I refuse to compromise to meet it. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 13:59, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Multiple editors have raised the same concerns, and the hook as written is in-universe. If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation. It isn't an absurd issue, it isn't &quot;bureaucracy&quot;, it is if DYKAPRIL overpowers guidelines, and if so, which ones. Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good: if you are really sure you would rather the article not run at all than run with a different hook or even a compromise wording, it's your decision. But we are trying to have the article run at all, which is more important than any one wording or hook. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|If the hook wasn't meant for AFD this wouldn't even be a question at all: it would be a clear DYKFICTION violation.}} That's why I specifically nominated the hook for AFD. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{tq|Actually, refusing compromise would do more harm than good}} I think refusing to compromise to absurd demands does more good than harm. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:06, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree with voorts; the original approved hook is hooky, punchy, and perfectly fine for April Fool's; as I've noted above, this is not a DYKFICTION issue. This has become a time sink and if a minority of participants in this discussion is going to insist on pulling the hook, we should respect the nominator's preference and withdraw it rather than workshopping an (inferior) alternative. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{+1}} [[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]] ([[User talk:Zzz plant|talk]]) 14:10, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::I also don't have any issues with it, we've run similar hooks for AFD before. But if people are complaining about it here then it will also be taken to ERRORS. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:11, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why do we allow this sort of wikilawyering wrt DYKFCTION when half of the hooks being run daily are boring and fail [[WP:DYKINT]]? [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Not very helpful, that comment. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Fair. I'll withdraw the accusation of wikilawyering. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Since @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] closed the nomination, I modified [[Template:Did you know/Queue/5|the queue]] to only have 8 hooks. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:14, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Reviewing the discussion shows there is consensus for running the original hook. I, @[[User:Voorts|Voorts]], @[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]], @[[User:1brianm7|1brianm7]], @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]], @[[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]], @[[User:Zzz plant|Zzz plant]], @[[User:HurricaneZeta|HurricaneZeta]] (and @[[User:Launchballer|Launchballer]] in the nom discussion) support running it or at minimum do not object. @[[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]], @[[User:Vigilantcosmicpenguin|Vigilantcosmicpenguin]], and @[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] oppose it. That's an 9-3 count and I believe should be considered consensus. At this point, it should be restored to the queue and not pulled unless a new consensus is reached to pull it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I still feel that this would have all been avoided if we just went with VCP's hook. There are not really any good reasons against it other than it being &quot;inferior&quot;, but we have run &quot;inferior&quot; hooks in the past if the &quot;better&quot; option was unfeasible for various reasons. Other than the nominator not wanting any other hook, I genuinely don't see a proper objection against that option. AFD hooks running DYKFICTION edge cases in the past does not necessarily mean that is the case moving forward: it could simply be a case of it not being questioned for. If consensus is to run the hook then we can run it, it is just that personally I feel there are genuine concerns and I do not see the case as &quot;absurd&quot;. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::If your concern is misleading readers, VCP's hook does that by overemphasizing the dumb punchline. The audience cheered for the joke as a whole, not the end of it. My main objection is still that we shouldn't have to compromise when there's an absurd objection and 9 editors agree it's absurd/an overly literal reading of the guidelines. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, plenty of DYKAPRIL hooks wouldn't pass muster otherwise. For example, ... that '''[[French Girls]]''' premiered on a livestream? would be considered uninteresting without the capitalization trick. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I didn't call it absurd. We're at the point where consensus favors running it and a individual has taken unilateral action against consensus. If consensus favors the original hook, we are not obligated to consider an alternative. Participants here ''did'' consider VCP's hook and there was no consensus that it was an improvement. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I still have reservations about the hook and I fear that this could be brought up at ERRORS, however the low the possibility is. However, with there being numerical agreement, and me being in the minority, in the interest of preventing a timesink I am putting aside my objection for now and letting this run. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 14:26, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Repromoted. Is this resolved? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:31, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think so. And this discussion remains to show that the DYK community considered DYKFICTION issues here should it be raised at ERRORS. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 14:32, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:ERRORS]] is not for our subjective guidelines, such as [[WP:DYKINTEREST]] and [[WP:DYKFICTION]]. If this hook is brought up there, the only legitimate course of action is removing it without action and the edit summary &quot;not an error&quot;. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 15:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A lot of this could have been avoided if people weren't sometimes so quick to consider the voices of a few dissenters as speaking for the rest of the participants here. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:47, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::I reopened it since we're still discussing. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 14:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{undone}} 
:::I would only repromote it when it's clear it won't be pulled again, because back and forth pulling and re-promoting is disruptive. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
===Romeo and Juliet===
* Hi all. I see this hook as very outstandingly interesting: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Romeo and Juliet (swans)]]. Although short on timeline, can this nom go ahead this April 1, or maybe on a normal date only? As a reviewer, I have highlighted little concerns over there, can I copyedit the article and approve the nomination? Pinging nominator/author {{u|Liance}}. Thank you! [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 22:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
** {{ping|M.Billoo2000}} Thanks for raising this! Please go ahead and copyedit the article as you see fit; not sure how fast I will be with tasks such as resolving the date formatting but I'll try my best to get on it. ~[[User:Liance|Liance]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Liance|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
**:The April Fool's Day sets have already been filled and queued, so this will need to go at a different time. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:31, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Actually, I left a note at the nom that ALT4 is ready to promote. You could add it to queue 5 right now if you wanted.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 01:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Queue 5 is full with 10 hooks, unless I am misreading something? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::It is, but they're short enough an eleventh could be added.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Older nominations needing DYK reviewers ==

The previous list was archived a few minutes ago, so I've created a new list of all 18 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through March 16. We have a total of 251 nominations, of which 177 have been approved, a gap of 77 nominations that has decreased in size by 25 over the past 11 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

'''More than one month old'''
*&lt;s&gt;January 26: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Tyren Montgomery]]&lt;/s&gt;
*January 31: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jenna Meek]]
*February 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/William and Zachary Zulock]] (reviewer needed for ALT2b)
*February 9: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Miloš Vučević]]
*February 10: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Hicks-neutral technical change]]
*February 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Konstanty Wasyl Ostrogski]]
*February 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alfonsas Svarinskas]]
*February 16: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Tolt]]
*February 18: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Seedance 2.0]]
*February 21: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Don W. Moore]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1b/c)
'''Other nominations'''
*February 25: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Dalzell (British Army officer, born 1662)]] (new reviewer needed for ALT1)
*February 28: [[Template:Did you know nominations/2009 United States attacks in Yemen]]
*March 1: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Pat O'Keeffe (2)]]
*March 2: [[Template:Did you know nominations/POLR3-related leukodystrophy]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Ramadan bazaar]]
*March 3: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Muskogee Railroad]]
*March 7: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Freddie Moore]]
*March 8: [[Template:Did you know nominations/The Ancestor's Tale]]
*March 13: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Grape agate]]
*March 14: [[Template:Did you know nominations/People in Trouble]]
*March 17: [[Template:Did you know nominations/Football in Lyari]] (new reviewer needed for ALT hooks only)

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 14:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

:Dummy reply. Is this thread an archive exempted, or not? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 14:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
::Added one that was overlooked. (For disclosure, I'm the nom.) [[User:Miraclepine|ミラP]]@[[User talk:Miraclepine#top|Miraclepine]] 14:53, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::No, this Older nomiations section is not archive exempted, but sometimes, when not many of the nominations have been reviewed and crossed off, it will be extended by a reply much like was done here so the page sticks around an extra five days. Thanks, [[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo]]; I wasn't around to do that. As for the &quot;overlooked&quot; nom, it was still current when this section was first posted, and thus ineligible for inclusion. Happy to have it now. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 02:57, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Another detrited hook ==

Are there any limits to queue-builders rewriting agreed hooks? Currently we have:
*&quot;... that [[Tennyson]] once quoted '''[[Catullus 96]]''' to [[Thackeray]] while they dined?&quot;
::The agreed hook was:
*&quot;... that dining together on one occasion, [[Alfred, Lord Tennyson|Tennyson]] quoted [[Catullus]] poem '''[[Catullus 96|96]]''' to [[William Makepeace Thackeray|Thackeray]]?&quot;
Among the issues  is that &quot;dining&quot; is completely different from &quot;dining together&quot;. One is about shovelling in big macs of an eve, the other [[commensality]], intentioned intimacy. &quot;While&quot;, as run, asserts simultaneity, whereas, as agreed, the exact timing is left vague; they may have retired for coffee and petits fours and continued their conversation once sated. Is it on the radar that had the proposer wanted to say something completely different, they would have done? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 06:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
: For &quot;currently&quot;, you have to go to [[WP:ERRORS]], where you will be told it's not an error. The only help is watching the hook in all stages (prep, queue) and ask questions when the meaning is distorted. The problem I see is that some who &quot;trim&quot; don't even realize that they change the meaning. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:I prefer the changed hook.  It's nice and short and sweet. The &quot;dining together on one occasion&quot; is quaint, but ultimately not important. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::I don't have a real preference either way, but the shorter hook still gives largely the same meaning, and I don't see it as problematic. Even though &quot;dining together&quot; is now gone, it's still implied in the phrasing. Again, the point here is that, as long as the point remains the same, it doesn't matter what the exact words are, and being too particular with specific phrases can be seen as nitpicking. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 09:22, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Do you see that the change can be seen as nitpicking? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:40, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::: For me, loss of the word &quot;poem&quot; is the worst change, meaning not saying what the subject is, and dropping the image of two people quoting poetry over dinner. Not every reader of our main page will know that Catull was a poet, and the catalogue number of a title leaves open what kind of writing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:56, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I don't see it.  There's no need at all to refer to &quot;poem&quot; as it is implied (albeit obliquely) by the context. I will grant you that many people do have issues with context and sometimes redundancy like the kind you are asking for solves the problem.  There's no real right or wrong answer here; it's a matter of style.  The most important thing here is intelligibility.  Does everyone understand the hook?  I think so. Next comes style. I really like this shortened form, but I also get that it might not appeal to others. This shortened form begins with &quot;Tennyson once quoted&quot;, that's why you don't need to say &quot;poem&quot;.  If  Tennyson is quoting something, there's a good chance it's a poem. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:15, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::It can also be the case that having extra details makes the hook more difficult to read and thus turn off readers, so there is that to consider. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:41, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Can we please just talk about this one, instead of &quot;extra details&quot; in general? You told me that people wouldn't know Puccini, - would these people know Tennyson? Why not help them by a pleasant four-letter word, in a hook that is short to start with? I can see readers catch on for &quot;poem&quot; who don't associate anything with the two men's names. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:52, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I agree that the hook should have said &quot;the poet Tennyson&quot;, but my comment was meant to be in general rather than referring to this specific case. DYKTRIM exists for a reason, and while there is a line between how much needs to be trimmed and how much needs to be kept, generally, hooks tend to be better received if they aren't complex. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 12:58, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::&quot;Dining together&quot; is not too complex, if we have to write for people of a pre-teen reading age, we'll likely lose readers who have graduated from the ''[[Peter and Jane]]'' series; there's also [[Simple English Wikipedia]]; apparently exposure to more complicated sentences builds proficiency in understanding more complicated sentences, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_1&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1344142349 I did that], but like Viriditas I don't see the issue. Makes a nice change for Gerda to be the one arguing that readers can't be expected to know something, though. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 13:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: Happy to please. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:01, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::::: ... adding though that I believe that articles with a link (besides the bolded topic) ''help'' readers to learn something they don't know yet, - which is what DYK is about, for me. I don't understand the trend to trim all links away. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::They don't want to divert traffic away from the boldlinked article, the hook. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::: I knew that but it's something I don't like for my style of telling stories. In this example, the two poets received both around 2k views, and I'd welcome that broad expansion of knowledge. I would not want link to [[poem]] or [[Eating|dining]] ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:52, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 10:00, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::To quote from above, &quot;the hook can become a convenient vehicle for drawing attention to that broader ... topic, and that is an opportunity that should be ''embraced'' by the project, not discouraged by it&quot;; I imagine there would have been many more views if run as proposed and agreed, &quot;dining together&quot; ('that sounds nice', reader already on board), so dull an historic factoid in the final version, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 10:31, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I feel like this case is making a mountain out of a molehill. Most readers wouldn't even blink if &quot;dined together&quot; was swapped with &quot;dined&quot;, and vice-versa. The overattachment to specific wordings is becoming counterproductive when, in the grand scheme of things it's ultimately irrelevant. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 11:07, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::That is the very nature of the plaint; a thought-out, agreed upon hook hacked about by someone sufficiently attached to their own wording to override and overwrite someone else; &quot;please desist&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:24, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:I've had this happen to my hooks, without even discussion or a ping. &lt;br&gt;
:E.g. ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about the [[Alameddine crime network|Alameddine crime family]]? became ... that '''[[friendlyjordies|Jordan Shanks]]'''{{`s}} house was firebombed after he published a YouTube video about organized crime? while it was on the frontpage with zero explanation by whoever did it. No Errors, no discussion, nothing.&lt;br&gt;
:I'll survive. This is the same. The world isn't going to end. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Similarly no immediate world-ending had the hook been left unbutchered. Those likely to click on links about literature may be alive to language and its usage. Even those who do not consciously blink may nonetheless be affected differently by different phraseology. The speech act was deprived of its [[illocution]]ary force, whereby the [[declarative sentence|declarative]] becomes [[hortative]]; do you approve of robbing others of their [[Agency (philosophy)|agency]]? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Robbing others of their agency? Perhaps your meaning for that term is vastly different from the common usage? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 11:44, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::No room for minorities. Everyone must conform? &quot;I dream of a DYK where different styles of phrasing are acceptable&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 11:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Oh please, changing the wording of something which will appear on the mainpage neither pushes out minorities, nor forces conformity, nor robs anyone of their agency. No one editor [[WP:OWNS]] the content. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 12:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, &quot;No one ... has the right .. to dictate what the article [or hook] may or may not say.&quot; Including the bulls in the China shop wedded to TRIM, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 12:29, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Theatrics aside, I would tend to agree with you that at all levels of article improvement, the content is put through a meat grinder and comes out the other end very different from the way the writer originally intended it to be read.  This has always been a problem, not just here, but everywhere. Ideally, an editor is supposed to improve it and take it to another level, but this doesn't always happen due to competing visions, POV, and styles. Why don't you get involved in promoting hooks and do it your way?  Would be interesting to see what happens when the process reverses itself.  I think it would become more literary in some respects, and more analytical in others, but you might also bore people to death, I don't know.  Go ahead and try it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:14, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Operatics: today I remember a hook that ran in 2017 on this day, [[Template:Did you know nominations/Françoise de Rimini]]. The chosen hook linked not only the (bolded) opera but also the composer and three real people featured as characters in it, for me much more life around the main topic than without the links. There are several operas with similar titles, + the real person on which they are based, so distinction and differentiation was wanted. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, I will say the same thing to you that I said to the keen-eyed lynx: will you be promoting articles today? That way you can get a chance to implement your chosen style. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 21:56, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't even want to implement my style, - I want diversity of styles and facts. I'd be a miserable promoter, not even understanding half of the approved hooks. I also have no time, - anybody checking the refs for [[Alexander Kluge]], writing more lead, make a decent list of films? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Diversity comes from participating. Please don't say you don't have time. You choose what you spend your time on just like anyone else.  Be the change you want to see. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I choose what I spend my time on. I chose DYK when reviews were not 10 times article length, possibly followed by more discussions, - remember [[Johannes-Ostern]] for which I gave 5 qpq? Life is too short: I chose RD and OTD where that is still so. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:55, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My point is that you get what you give.  If you want DYK to change its trimming style, and I think you and the slinky lynx have good points, then you are going to need to get your hands dirty and engage with the process. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|Have had a go]] at what you suggest, fair(-ish) point, and at least something semi-positive may have come of all this; think I discovered there's no need to make (m)any changes, other than removing a couple of &quot;''(pictured)''&quot;s (sorry, there's only one slot); as per GA re [[Alexander Kluge]] though, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 02:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::That image looks great. Nice work. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], a few things if you're going to continue promoting to preps.
:::::::::::::::*I would recommend you utilise Leeky's [[User:Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter.js|DYK Promoter]]
:::::::::::::::*We generally don't completely fill the last prep area as we may need to have empty spots open for swapping hooks around. 
:::::::::::::::*You don't need to sign the credits
:::::::::::::::''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Ps, cheers for chipping in. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Pps, I've moved the hooks to Prep 2. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
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== What is going on? ==

I don't see that there was an aboveboard rush request. I see that [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Litman]] was nominated today by [[User:Launchballer]], promoted 4 hours later by [[User:Viriditas]] with a User ping to [[User:Crisco 1492]] who promoted it less than 25 minutes later. What am I missing?-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 12:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

:Looks like it was to do with [[#Trans Day of Visibility]], where it was previously a non-bold blue link. [[User:1brianm7|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#639&quot;&gt;'''''1brianm7'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] ([[User talk:1brianm7|talk]]) 12:27, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:*One, yes, the hook etc. were already there and it was not replacing anything; it was just a matter of bolding an existing link. Second, Joyner's nomination still has ongoing discussion about the preferred hook, which is likely going to give potential promoters pause. &amp;nbsp;—&amp;nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::*[[User:Crisco 1492]]. I believe the discussion is decided.-[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 22:54, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

==  [[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|nom]]) ==

* ... that in 2021, '''[[HOPE for New Hampshire Recovery|an addiction recovery centre]]''' filed a lawsuit against Facebook?
{{yo|Finnfrog99|4meter4|Zzz plant|HurricaneZeta}} I don't mean this to rag on any of you, because this isn't against any guideline, but I do think it's a negative experience for the reader when a hook makes you think there'll be a whole story, but the article only has the one sentence the hook has and then it just moves on. Again, article complies with guidelines good and perfectly, it's very well-written and sourced (the citations in particularly have very thorough formatting!), just something I wanted to throw out there for any future noms. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 16:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
::{{u|theleekycauldron}} I thought about that, but [[WP:UNDUEWEIGHT]] issues made me decide not to press adding more content on the lawsuit. It's not significant enough to warrant more than a brief mention. That fact was also one of the hookier facts to feature. I don't see it as a problem as anyone who is really interested can click on the cited reference url to read more on the lawsuit off wiki.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 16:17, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue&amp;nbsp;2]] (March 28) ==

=== [[Castelluccio di Norcia|Castelluccio di Norcia]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Castelluccio di Norcia|nom]]) ===
{{main page image/DYK|image=24 Castelluccio (Norcia).jpg|caption=Castelluccio di Norcia}}

Could I get a second opinion on whether this image is eye-catching and clear enough at Main Page sizes? I'm on the fence. Alternative images from this set could be from [[Babe LeVoir]] or ''[[Te Ahi Tupua]]''. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

:I'm going to say no, mainly because the Italian flag mural is barely visible at mobile size and would be even more difficult to see on desktop. It is already hard to see the details of the individual structures. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 04:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::Word. [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]], any objections to moving ''Te Ahi Tupua'' into the image slot with [[:File:Rotorua Hemo Gorge roundabout sculpture (cropped).jpg|this image]]? I thought I'd ask since I didn't see that image in the nomination. &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 04:53, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Sure why not. I never put it in the nomination because I didn't think it looked good enough, but I'm not opposed to it if there aren't any better images. [[User:Panamitsu|&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif; background-color: #7164d6; color:#FFFFFF; padding: 0px 3px;&quot;&gt;Panamitsu&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Panamitsu|✨]] 05:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks, {{done|done}}! &lt;span class=&quot;nowrap&quot;&gt;—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''TechnoSquirrel69'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69#top|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0b541f;&quot;&gt;'''sigh'''&lt;/span&gt;]])&lt;/small&gt; 15:10, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1|Prep&amp;nbsp;1]] ==

===''[[Breakfast with Girls]]'' ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Breakfast with Girls|nom]])===
... that [[Matt Mahaffey]]'s bio encouraged fans to listen to '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' whilst on [[LSD|acid]]?

Am I alone in not knowing what a bio is? The article didn't help. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:13, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'd have thought biography, although it's in [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm] not the part 1 cited in the article. Pinging {{ping|TarnishedPath|M.Billoo2000|KmartEmployeeTor}}.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:29, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::I’m not even sure what the problem is here. Would you like to me to explain what a bio is or &quot;fix&quot; the sourcing? It’s an interview with multiple pages. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]], could you start by explaining what a bio is? Is it part of the album's sleeve notes? [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 15:20, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::A &quot;bio&quot; is shorthand for a [[press kit]], it's a bunch of papers given to journalists to write about how the album was made and what it sounds like. This is a little hard to explain considering BWG's &quot;bio&quot; isn’t archived anywhere, but it basically means Mahaffey wrote about how journalists should ALSO write about how he wanted people to listen to the album while on [[LSD|acid]]. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 15:30, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So can we just write that Matt Mahaffey encouraged fans, without getting into what a bio is? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:10, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Fixed. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 21:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
*{{re|KmartEmployeeTor|AirshipJungleman29}} The current version seems too long and diverted. I suggested earlier to change the &quot;listen&quot; into something more interesting, and I do not think that &quot;his band&quot; is necessary. How about &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy '''''Breakfast With Girls''''' whilst on acid&quot;? We may not need to spoil the hook that by talking about music. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 08:04, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Changed it to your request. [[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] ([[User talk:KmartEmployeeTor|talk]]) 09:06, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
*::@[[User:KmartEmployeeTor|KmartEmployeeTor]] @[[User:AirshipJungleman29|AirshipJungleman29]] @[[User:M.Billoo2000|M.Billoo2000]] @[[User:TarnishedPath|TarnishedPath]] I'm doing the checks for this hook (now in Queue 1) and I can't find anywhere in the source where Mahaffey {{tq|encourages fans to enjoy [the album] whilst on acid}}. The [https://web.archive.org/web/20010516123408/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart3.htm source] says: 
*::{{Blockquote |text=PiG: While we’re on the topic of drugs, it was mentioned in your bio that people should listen to Breakfast With Girls on acid. MM: Was it really? Wow. I’ve not done it yet. I’ve only taken acid like a couple of times and I’ve never taken a whole hit of acid. The first time I ever took acid was before school one day and that was probably the weirdest experience of my life and the next two times were really fun. I was in college and we were all just running around the campus naked going “Woo!” but I would love to listen to that record on acid. It’d be great. It’d either be great or it would kill me. When I listen to my own stuff on any kind of drugs I usually get really emotional. Not emotional like I cry and stuff, but I just get like, “Oh,        I’m a failure and this sucks. This is the worst crap I’ve ever put out,” or I get like “I’m God. I’m Zeus. I’m Elvis!” or something.}}
*::He's discussing his own preference but I don't see where he's encouraging fans to do this. Please point me in the right direction if the claim is made in a different source. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Dclemens1971}}, {{u|KmartEmployeeTor}} said above that a bio is the artist's [[press kit]] where they write their thoughts on their album. So a recommendation there is the artist's encouragement. If that's wrong, please let me know. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:17, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::But the source ''in the article'', which I linked above, Mahaffey expresses surprise that the bio said it, so I don't think it's fair ''using that source'' to claim that Mahaffey told people to listen while on acid. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::Yeah, that's not great. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dclemens1971|KmartEmployeeTor}} How about change the context, and write &quot;wanted to enjoy&quot; instead of &quot;encouraged his fans to enjoy&quot;? Otherwise, we can go for safer original hook, the &quot;masterpiece&quot; one. [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 23:07, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::Can't say that's doing it for me from a DYKINT perspective. Fans are often more enthusiastic than critics. And is ''Woof'' (a student publication) a reliable source? [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:::::With two-a-day sets starting tomorrow, I've bumped this to Prep 1 to provide time for the nominator to weigh in on the sourcing and hook selection. (Even if we switch to a different hook, there's now a source-text integrity issue to be addressed.) [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:47, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*::::::I am thinking of an ALT4, something like ... that '''''[[Breakfast with Girls]]''''' took [https://web.archive.org/web/20010419103014/http://www.pigpublications.com/Archives/selfpart1.htm two years], before ''[[Brunch (EP)|Brunch]]'' after two months? [[User talk:M.Billoo2000#top|'''M.''']] [[User:M.Billoo2000|Bill'''oo''']] 01:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Michael Gove hook today ==

Permalink to the ERRORS discussion: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&amp;oldid=1346015320]

This was &quot;discussed&quot; in the section above ([[Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Terry_Ball's_snail_farms,_Tommy_Ball_(retailer),_Michael_Gove_(nom)|here]]) and put into DYK.  There were ''three'' factual errors in a single sentence hook.  There's a reason we have a process to check these things are correct, and even though it doesn't always work it would have picked up most of the issues here.  Even more annoyingly, there were some opportunities for a great hook.  Can we perhaps not do that again?  [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:08, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

== Special holding area request ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Justin Joyner]] is in the holding area for the time slot that matches the [[2026 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament]], which is 8:30PM April 6 in [[Indianapolis]] or 0:30 UTC on April 7. I believe this will be [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3]] which has been partially filled by [[User:Zzz plant]]. There are two possibilities. If Michigan wins on April 4, we want to run ALT1 and if they lose we want to run ALT2a. Above [[User:Crisco 1492]] mentioned concern about the deliberations regarding this hook. Both hooks are approved by [[User talk:TarnishedPath]], but the proper hook depends on what happens on April 4. Can we slot one in the proper queue and switch if necessary.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] &lt;small&gt;([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]] / [[WP:FOUR]] / [[WP:CHICAGO]] / [[WP:WAWARD]])&lt;/small&gt; 23:15, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'll leave a comment at the nomination, but both hooks seem to misrepresent the situation. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 15:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::General comment - this hook request is quite complicated with local times of a basketball game and multiple potential outcomes, along with with a potential impending run of two-a-day sets that scrambles when queues move to the homepage. (It won't be prep 3 because we have two sets running on 1 April.) Unless I'm misreading something, this request appears to be asking quite a lot of our promoters and queuers. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::And reviewers, but that's out of my hands now, thankfully. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 19:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/6|Queue 6]] (3 April 2026) ==

===[[Vinson Cunningham]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Vinson Cunningham|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|AirshipJungleman29&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|Dizzycheekchewer&lt;!--creator--&gt;|Figureskatingfan}} The article as it stands doesn't mention that it was based {{tq|on his work for Barack Obama's presidential campaign?}}. It looks like the source says that the Candidate is based on Obama, so how is this:
* ... that '''[[Vinson Cunningham]]''' based a presidential candidate in his novel ''Great Expectations'' on Barack Obama?
[[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:The article outlines that it's a semi-autobiographical work about a presidential campaign. I think the facts are fairly obvious without an explicit connection, but am fine with the suggested alternative. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:I'm fine with the above hook alt, too.  [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 17:33, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Hi, I put in a line clarifying that it’s based on his own experience. The cite there is from an interview of Cunningham, but it’s mentioned in a couple of the reviews as well, including this one which is not currently in the article: https://chireviewofbooks.com/2024/03/22/hopey-changey-stuff-in-vinson-cunninghams-great-expectations/amp/
:“ The novel is based on Cunningham’s own experience as an Obama staffer, and without knowing how fictional it has become in his hands, one can complain that it feels shapeless.”
:I prefer the original hook. [[User:Dizzycheekchewer|Dizzycheekchewer]] ([[User talk:Dizzycheekchewer|talk]]) 19:02, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== &quot;Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in ... &quot; dyk sets  and hook sequences ==

{{ill|Konishi Jin'ichi|ja|小西甚一}}, [[Robert H. Brower]] &amp; [[Earl Miner]] wrote of ''Association and Progression: Principles of Integration in Anthologies and Sequences of Japanese Court Poetry, A. D. 900–1350'' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2718620 ] ''[[Mutatis mutandis|mut. mut.]]'',  [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2|Prep 2]] attempts to ape; I think once in a queue, (only) users with greater powers/access can edit/dictate what happens; can I please put in a request that it be left as is; thank you, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:Sorry, what? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:19, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, assuming that the title and first sentence are references to something, this seems to refer to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this edit], which takes a [[WP:SOHA]] request for Easter out of the prep set it currently needs to be in... I'm not seeing why this should stand {{u|Maculosae tegmine lyncis}}. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have undone this. @[[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]], that hook was reserved for the date April 5, while the one you swapped in wasn't reserved for any particular date. So it needs to be in that queue to run on that date. [[Verses of Love (novel)]] is in [[Template:Did you know/Queue/1|Queue&amp;nbsp;1]]. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::We did just hit seven queues and as such [[WP:DYKROTATE]] applies from tomorrow (which is very annoying since I would have liked 24 for my TDOV set). The Easter hook probably shouldn't be in any queue, let alone either queue 1 or queue 2.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 17:52, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Not from tomorrow, because the TDOV set will need a full 24 hours, surely? Unless you're saying we should insert another set for no reason in between it and the April 1 sets? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:55, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} We should start DYKROTATE at 00:00 on April 1 for the AFD sets and let the TDOV set have 24 hours. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Excellent idea. Thank you both.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Is there a [[WP:SOHA]] request for [[Template:Did you know/Queue/2|Queue 2]]? Is there something that means it has to run on this particular day, that means this is the set that needs to be messed around with? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 17:57, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but yes, there was a SOHA request for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] ({{tq|I'd like to run this hook for Easter specifically!}}) [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}}Yes, but that hook was not part of this set; this intact set could be run in a month's time; were this set run in a month's time, there'd be no need to insert into it a 5 April (depending on time zones) hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:04, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::But it was requested specifically for Easter, and DYK usually honors special ocassion requests like that. So it can't be run in a month since it needs to run on Easter. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::That particular hook, yes; but it has been randomly inserted into a set that need not run on that day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:09, 30 March 2026 (UTC) In other words, the set this subheading relates to could be left in prep and the hook inserted into another set/queue slot, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::The queues all have a set run time, listed at [[TM:DYKQ#Local update times]]. It will need to be reordered after the rotation to 12 hour sets though, so expect some hooks being swapped around. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:12, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::If there's a special request for the set, why put it in the one spot in the queue that causes a problem; why does a special request for a hook get honoured, but not a special request for a set of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:15, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::Was the special request requested beforehand? The minimum for it to be &quot;automatically&quot; honored is 2 weeks IIRC, sooner than that needs manual approval to avoid last-minute shuffling. I can certainly change the spot it is at in the queue, where should I move it? [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:21, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Only in this ?thread? (and probably not 2 weeks in advance.., more like half an hour); a bit of special treatment would be very gratefully received, thank you; anywhere you wish, &lt;s&gt;back into prep 2&lt;/s&gt; (that's the bottom one per the above); prep 4/5? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm also not really understanding what the special request is. As far as I can work out, none of the hooks in the set are connected to each other and no thematic set request was made. Is it just a request to have all the hooks currently in the set run together? If so, can I ask why? [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:29, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::For example, hook 2 &quot;Love&quot; [[The birds and the bees|leads]] to hook 3 &quot;babies&quot;... Serious Sam in hook 5 as [[Uncle Sam]], following the non-trivial US content of hook 4; could go on all day, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:37, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Please do go on, that sounds interesting. (Personally, I doubt any reader could make those connections, especially the second which seems tenuous in the extreme, but then again I didn't get what you were saying about Japanese poetry, so maybe we just operate on different wavelengths.) [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 18:43, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I agree. I'm not really sure what is going on here. Were you going with a specific theme with your set? We don't generally do that without prior agreement or discussion. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|&lt;B&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0038A8&quot;&gt;Naruto&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FCD116&quot;&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CE1126&quot;&gt;hinata&lt;/span&gt;5&lt;/B&gt;]] ([[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|contributions]]) 02:24, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
[[File:Oswestry Wesley Guild's &quot;pancake special&quot; (12900492524).jpg|thumb]]
:Oh dear, am going to look like a right numpty; there's probably loads I didn't think of at the time, prodding my choices nonetheless I guess, but when I assembled, the beautiful picture hook (an under-represented art form) went without saying; we then had a Christian-ish hook 1 lead into the Islam-ish hook 2, with some like (erstwhile, geographic) distance and hook 1's caption &quot;Angel&quot; followed by the &quot;Satanic&quot; of hook 2; &quot;Verses of Love&quot; → Love → babies as above, an over-busy hospital ward full of babies → to a (lone) woman with a lot of work to do, with a bit of ''[[Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus]]'' as a backwards nod to the preceding, plus hook 3 babies in Africa → hook 4 an African American reformer with a [[I Have a Dream|dream]] for the future; Serious Sam as Uncle Sam looking back to hook 4 (Martin Luther King Jr.) and forwards to &quot;United States&quot; in hook 6, also the [[Guinness World Records]] to the near-record breaking piano tour aged 8; her stellar performances/career to the solar eclipse, with the US/China juxtaposition, and 8 yr-old vs ancient; solar eclipse and drinking in hook 7 to astronomical society and a club in hook 8, and aero → flipping with a spatula (sounds a bit like pancake tossing) in hook 9, '''SHe'''DAISY connecting with the above male/female dichotomy, and the &quot;single&quot; with the &quot;hundreds&quot; of the first hook, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 20:34, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
*I don't understand this discussion. The nominator for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Emmat railway station]] made a request for a SOHA during Easter. They made that request on 26 March, which was at least one week before the date that they were requesting to run on. Per [[WP:DYKSO]], I therefore granted the request and initially promoted to Prep 1 and placed some hidden text in the prep indicating that it was a special date hook. Given the impending move to 12 hour runs, that then necessitated I move the hook from Prep 1 to Prep 2. Is there anything further to understand here? ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
*:Ps, it would be nice if I'm pinged to discussions that directly concern my actions in future. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Shall aim to (though note the change directly impacted my actions and there was no ping), [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Only that the change broke a sequence; there's more than one set, any could have been impacted / ask the prep-er etc; the bigger question, is it/should it be the aim to have one hook flow on (a bit) from the next (eg Angel → Satan, solar eclipse → astronomical society), however lame the attempt might be, and to build a set (?as in playing cards?), or just a random list of hooks? [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 04:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::We don't do theme sets without prior discussion. If we did then we'd potentially run into not following [[WP:DYKVAR]]. I'm not saying that was the case in the set you constructed, but it could happen. 
::::Ps, I didn't ping you when making the swap for a couple of reasons. a) I used a script to do it and b) they're not really your hooks. I generally ping nominators/approvers when making changes to the hooks themselves (beyond remove links); however anything beyond that I don't feel is necessary. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:33, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Also, regarding that I could have moved it to more than 1 set, it is potentially true if we stay in 12 hour rotations beyond April Fools that I could have moved it to Prep 3. However, it is not necessarily true. Even if it does turn out to be the case, could I then expect to be having this same discussion with whoever put Prep 3 together? 
:::::Please, if you don't understand why someone has done something, just ask them. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:37, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Well, I'm just not sure that if you placed this set of hooks in front of a reader and asked them to find the flow/links between them, I'm not sure anyone would see more than two (I certainly wouldn't). Let me do an experiment and come back to you. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:27, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Alright, I just asked three people to find links between the hooks in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_2&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=1346222022 this version]. Two of them quickly found the astronomical link you outlined between the seventh and eighth hooks. One also identified the image of the Angel as either the reporter Kathryn Johnson or the pianist Clara E. Thoms (she was unsure but thought both were possible);  the other thought the second and third hooks were linked as examples of deep thought from tropical countries.
:::::The third person struggled to find any links, but suggested that the concept of world records was central to all the facts, but he admitted that really only worked for five facts at best. He then got the astronomical link when the other two (who had been chatting about my strange experiment) hinted to him. 
:::::Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I'm disinclined to say the set has to be kept together because they are intrinsically related. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&amp;#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 10:53, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::I like the idea, even if some of the links are obscure. Not every set will have a SOHA come in to it, perhaps consider it part of the experiment and see how it goes next time. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 11:20, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::I still think any themed or connected set, no matter how tenuously connected, needs to be requested and approved on this page. Otherwise, promoters and queuers may inadvertently move hooks in the normal course of prep building and queuing, which appears to have resulted in hurt feelings or some kind of offense even though none was intended, since no one knew that a connected set was being assembled. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 13:50, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::{{+1}} ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:42, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== Trim(mers) redux ==

[[Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#Quality control]]: &quot;During and after promotion to prep, any change beyond an absolutely obvious correction warrants a ping to the nominator&quot;, [[User:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|Maculosae tegmine lyncis]] ([[User talk:Maculosae tegmine lyncis|talk]]) 18:08, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

== Image replacement for [[Template:Did you know/Preparation area 3|prep 3]] ==

I played around with this a bit, and I think image 3 (410 x 400) looks best in the first slot for [[Carmen Alfaro Asins]], although others might want to have a look-see to confirm or choose a better one. Image 1 is the current version. Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:18, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:No objection to any of these; image 3 looks great. I suggest you boldly change it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 01:49, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::I was involved in multiple aspects of the review, so that's not a good idea. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:00, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::OK. I inserted option 3. I doubt anyone will object but anyone who does can replace it. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 02:03, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 02:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::::3 looks best ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Great.  Always good to have feedback. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:11, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
&lt;gallery mode=packed heights=140px&gt;
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02.jpg|1 (600 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 4.jpg|2 (499 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 3.jpg|3 (410 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 2.jpg|4 (323 × 400)
Museo Arqueológico Nacional - Carmen Alfaro Asins 02 crop 1.jpg|5 (302 × 320)
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== 12 hour sets ==

{{@DYK admins}} - just a reminder to be ready to switch [[User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates]] to 12 hours shortly after midnight for the two april fools' day sets. [[User:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Hurricane'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:HurricaneZeta|&lt;span style=&quot;background-color:#ffd98c; color:black&quot;&gt;'''Zeta'''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/HurricaneZeta|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:05, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

:Given we've got 7 full queues at present and will have 6 full queues just after midnight, we should do 12 hour rotations for at least 3 days. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff0000;&quot;&gt;Tar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ff7070;&quot;&gt;nis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#ffa0a0;&quot;&gt;hed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;color:#420000;&quot;&gt;Path&lt;/b&gt;]]''&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TarnishedPath|&lt;b style=&quot;color:#bd4004;&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;talk&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:44, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::i though its already midnight UTC but failed to realise that the system doesn't account for DST (until late october for me) [[User:JuniperChill|JuniperChill]] ([[User talk:JuniperChill|talk]]) 23:40, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know/Queue/3|Queue 3]] (7 April 2026) ==

===[[Port Manatee Railroad]] ([[Template:Did you know nominations/Port Manatee Railroad|nom]]) ===
{{reply to|Dclemens1971&lt;!--promoter--&gt;|JudeHalley&lt;!--creator--&gt;|AirshipJungleman29|RosePickfair|Trainsandotherthings}}
Not a showstopper, but you may wish to resolve the [[WP:PROSELINE]] in the third paragraph of History.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 23:01, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

:I cleaned up that paragraph just now. [[User:JudeHalley|Jude Halley]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:JudeHalley|talk]]&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;[[Special:Contributions/JudeHalley|contribs]]&lt;/sub&gt; 23:22, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
::Works for me.--&lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;Laun&lt;/u&gt;]][[User talk:Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;chba&lt;/u&gt;]][[Special:Contribs/Launchballer|&lt;u style=&quot;color:#00F&quot;&gt;ller&lt;/u&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 23:23, 31 March 2026 (UTC)</text>
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