Disputatio Vicipaediae:Babel formulae - Vicipaedia

# Disputatio Vicipaediae:Babel formulae

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## [recensere] Border Function

this is seriously needed for the proper display of many of the flags of this page.

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"Babel", non "Babylon"? -- Alexander Gerascenco 06:56, 16 Martii 2006 (UTC)

  apud meta, est Babel, Babylon est locus pro interpretibus translationibusque.--Ioshus Rocchio 13:38, 16 Martii 2006 (UTC)
    Si non erro, in "meta", quae Anglice scripta est, "Babel" est versio utanda, quia verbum pro "Babylon" in translatione Anglica Bibliae est. Sed in Vulgata urbs illa "Babylon" nominata est. "Babylon" pro "Babel" hic propono etiam quia, e.g., in Vicipediis Russica et Ucrainica "Babel" Vicipaediae Anglicae tamquam urbs Babylon apellatur: "Вавилон", "Вавілон". -- Alexander Gerascenco 17:19, 16 Martii 2006 (UTC)
      "Бабилон" significan? Vere, mihi non magnum importat quod nomen huic paginae sit, sed valde necesse est inter "Babel" et "Babylon" sicut meta. Si vis haec pagina, quae apud meta appellatur "Babel", appellari "Babylon", quid est quod suggeres pro pagina quae apud meta appellatur Babylon?--Ioshus Rocchio 01:02, 17 Martii 2006 (UTC)
        Erravi: "Babel" versio utanda est... In Vulgata verbum illud unice hic inveni: "Et idcircum vocatum est nomen eius Babel quia ibi confusum est labium universae terrae" (Genesis 11:9). Ergo, "Babel", non "Babylon" (quod verbum urbem significat), latine pro confusione labium universae terrae utanda est. -- Alexander Gerascenco 02:17, 17 Martii 2006 (UTC)

## [recensere] vexilia

Fortasse quaedam harum linguarum vexlillia meliora requirat, pro yiddish, latina, aut aliis linguis. Etiam, peto aliquem qui vicipotens est: moenias inscribe circum vexillia ne russicum et iaponicum pro exemplo misceant cum alba paginae. Gratias.

## [recensere] Formula Linguae Anglicae – Categoria en-5

Cur categoria en-5 creatus est? Professio aliqua mensuram facultatis communicandae non indicat. Itaque categoria illa inutilis ineptusque est et etiam confusionem creare posset. Nam quid esset distinctio inter en-4 et en-5? Quid si aliquis non modo quasi native aut qualiscumque in lingua Anglica communicare potest sed etiam professio sua hac coniunctus est?
Praeterea nusquam in alias Vicipaedias est categoria en-5.
Christian Kotnik 18:10, 26 Iunii 2006 (UTC)

  Being a native speaker does not mean that someone knows the backgrounds of his language. I think level 5 is for native speakers who have an extra training in a language or in linguistics, maybe on an academic level or it is for people who are professional writers. There are such templates in other Wikipedias, e. g. en:template:User en-5 or en:template:User de-5. I have copied this template from the English Wikipedia since a user here has it on his user page. Level 4 seems to be for people who can speak a foreign language at the level of a native speaker. My opinion about this level 5 template: It does not hurt. ;-) --Roland2 18:45, 26 Iunii 2006 (UTC)

## [recensere] Flags for French

I will put this in English so there is no mistake in what I mean. Louisiana has a full right to be represented with its flag for the french language. We have almost 250,000 Native French speakers in Louisiana. Most of these speakers live in Acadiana but if you think the area is too small them fine, I will list the whole state. The Louisiana Constitution article 12 section 4 backs me up on my claim as well as Revised Statute 25 secion 651 and Revised Statute RS 17:272 and RS 48:2001 and RS 17:3382 and RS 43:204 and RS 49:170.3 and most importantly RS 1:51 which establishes French as the official language of Louisiana as well as numerous other places in different legal codes that I could site. Also, according to Louisiana Law, Louisiana is an independent soviernty that has full diplomatic relations with France and Le Francophone per the Louisiana Purchase document. Personally I feel that the Acadiana flag would be more apropriate considering RS 48:2001 and Louisiana House Concurrent Resolution No. 496 but if you want to fight me on everything then I have no problem listing Louisiana as a whole. I will also mention that Louisiana even has an agency for regulating French in Louisiana and has had it since 1968. Thank you. --Billiot 16:48, 5 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

  Sigh...as I said on your disputatio page, there are 41 countries where french is the official language (en:List_of_countries_where_French_is_an_official_language). In the list of 31 places where french is spoken most, English isn't even on the list. As far as America goes, there are a good 4 states with large French speaking populations. As I said in your disputatio page, by your logic, as a reductio ad absurdum surely we should list all of these others flags as well.
  Why is your tone so combative, I have to ask? No one is saying anything about Louisiana or Acadiana, just that the flag itself isn't the best for representing the French language. First for the reasons I listed above, but beyond that: In order to represent something, people have to recognize it. Surely the French and Canadian flags are recognizable, but I confess, I've lived in America 24 years, and even travelled to your state, but the flag I did and do not recognize. How will this, to someone living in Turkey for example, represent a language? The person will be too busy wondering what it is and not what it represents.--Ioshus (disp) 14:25, 6 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

## [recensere] maybe...

...the problem is that we have already overrepresented certain languages, so the temptation is there to overrepresent others. To help this I will simplify: English will only have the flag of England, German only the flag of Germany, Portuguese only the flag of Portugal, and French only the flag of France. We kind of need two flags for Yiddish, I think. This leaves us to Latin. I think an eagle standard might be best, or that Romulus/Remus image might just suffice. What do other people think?--Ioshus (disp) 14:41, 6 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

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