Plé:Vicipéid - Vicipéid

# Plé:Vicipéid

### Ón Vicipéid, an chiclipéid shaor.

Níl aon "v" i ngaeilge. Mar seo, níl an ainm "Vicipéid" ceart. Bíodh sé níos fearr mar "An Bhficipéid", agus níos ceart freisin.

    Mise le meas, Robeárd MacThoirealaigh

Duine a scríobhann "níos ceart" in áit "níos cirte", "an ainm" in áit "an t-ainm", "bíodh" in áit "bheadh", agus "an Bhficipéid" in áit nach bhfuil an t-urú ceart (gan aon trácht a dhéanamh air gurb é "bhF" agus ní "Bhf" an dóigh cheart leis an F uraithe a litriú nuair atá an cás uachtair i gceist), is léir nach bhfuil sé i dtaithí litríocht na Gaeilge agus nach bhfuil sé i dteideal breithiúnas ar bith a thabhairt ar ár gcuid Gaeilge. Déarfainn gur troll é amach is amach.

A Roibeard (sin é an litriú ceart), má theastaíonn uait rud éigin fónta a dhéanamh ar mhaith leis an Vicipéid (sea, an Vicipéid), léigh [na leabhair seo] as Gaeilge, mar a rinne mise, agus beidh an-Ghaeilge agat agus breithiúnas ar cad is ceart sa Ghaeilge. Faoi láthair, is fearr duit do ghob a dhúnadh. Níl a fhios agat gramadach cheart na Gaeilge.Panu Petteri Höglund 23:47, 29 Samhain 2006 (UTC)

A Phanu, Níl an alt sin cóir ar aon bhith. Tá an cheart ag Robeárd - níl aon V sa Ghaeilge. Is Bearlachas í an V. B'fheider nach bhfuil an gramadach nó an litriú iontach, ach tá suim ag Robeárd agus mise sa teanga. Is cuma muna bhfuil an urú nó an shéimú san áit ceart. Ba choir duin Gaeilge ceart a mhúinean - gan J,K,Q,V,W,X,Y nó Z. Agus má tá boitúin san alt, cuir ceart é - is é sin an rud iontach sa Bhicipéid. Má bhfuil grá agat don Gaeilge, taibhairfeadh tú caibhir do daoine in áit síorchnádán a thaibhairt doibh.

Is mise, Cian

  Cian (agus Robeárd) Is dócha go d'fhéadfadh sé bheith "níos-cairdiúil" faoi, ach tá an cheart ag Panú anseo.

  (Gabh mo leithscéal anois, ach ba chóir dom an comhrá seo a críochnú as béarla - de bharr na soiléireachta)

  While the use of "V" in Irish is rare, it is used. Though mainly for "loanwords".

  Take "vóta" (vote), "veidhlín" (violin), "víoras" (virus) , and (as an example) more than a few geological terms.

  As a living language (IE: not something consigned to a museum of "set in stone" linguistics), Irish adopts words from other languages. As does English, German, Finnish and every other language that is used in the real world.

  In the process of adopting those words, we need to find ways to express them.

  Nobody is suggesting that you can do whatever you want in achieving this, but there is an accepted standard for using "V" in adopted words. (Where - frankly - "bh" would be an awkwardly contrived construct).

  There was thought put in to the naming of the Wikipedia in Irish, and it was not done lightly. To help with the history/thinking, you may wish to have a quick look at this discourse.

  Beyond that - and I think this is one of the reasons Panu reacted so strongly - what you are suggesting is not that we just rename the Vicipéid article. But that we rename THE ENTIRE Irish language Wikipedia.

  While your points on "no V in Irish" would be valid in a closed system, the system is not closed, and - in particular in light of the extensive impact - I don't think it's valid to change the name based on the "no V" argument.

  ( FYI - The "no V/K/J/etc in Irish" debate is an interesting one. And this is not the first time it's taken place. For example, if you think there is also no "k" or "y" in Irish, you may also be interested in this discourse. And yes - I know this debate suggests there is no "v", but - to be clear - the discussion between Msrs "Ó Cuív" (yes - "Ó Cuív") and O'Shea is about the letters in the old irish alphabet. Not in newly adopted words.)

  (Also - just a note on wiki-etiquette. This is not the Irish Times. Instead of signing posts with "is mise", consider signing with "~~~~" :)

  Le meas Guliolopez 10:35, 14 Bealtaine 2007 (UTC)

## [athraigh] Athscríobh

Rinne mé athscríobh ar an alt seo mar shíl mé go raibh gá forbairt a dhéanamh ar roinnt de na hábhair a bhí pléite san alt a bhí ann agus bhí sé deacair é seo a dhéanamh gan athscríobh iomlán. Nmacu 11:03, 6 Iúil 2007 (UTC)

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