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# Disputatio:Alfus

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## [recensere] Stipula

Addidi formulas stipularum quia debemus scribere non solum de Elbibus Tolkieni, sed etiam de Elbibus mythologiae. A nd rew D alby 17:12, 3 Martii 2007 (UTC)

## [recensere] Nomen

- Est fons usus Latine nominis Germani Elb? Alteras figuras habeo:
  - Albus, -i (Ñgolendel, redditor partis Dominus Anulorum) [1].
  - alfonis, -is (Earendilyon, redditor partis Dominus Anulorum) [2]
  - elphiculus, -i in Harrius Potter et Camera Secretorum (forma deminutiva indicans radicem elphis, -is).
  - alfus, -i (Aiwendil II, redditor partis Silmarillion) [3]; Iacobus Grimm in suo libro de mythologia Teutonica agnomina âlfa lioði et vîsi âlfa reddit ut alforum socius et alforum princeps

- I also found some Latinate equivalents of the term in Bosworth & Toller:
  - ephialtes, -ae (Gr. Ἐφιάλτης, v. Aloadae; e.g. ælfadl elf-disease, "ephialtae morbus"; ælfcynn elf-kind, the elven race, "ephialtum genus")
  - genius et incubus tantum s.v. ælf dant.
  - castalis, -idis
  - vel diabolus (ælfsiden the influence of elves or of evil spirits, the nightmare, ‘impetus castalidum, diaboli incubus’)
  - Grimm also has döckâlfar = ‘genii obscuri’, græti âlfa == ‘ploratus nanorum’ (svartalfar being identified with dwarves).

Ludovicus Ettmüllerus in his Lexicon Anglosaxonicum (1851) has most of those B&T have but uses 'alfus' as well. —Mucius Tever 01:05, 4 Martii 2007 (UTC)

  I seem to have left out in aggressive pre-post editing nympha—which appears in a couple other B&T entries: ælfsciéne beautiful, like an elf or nymph, of elfin beauty; ‘formosus ut genius vel nympha’ and ælfscínu shining like an elf or fairy, elfin-bright, of elfin beauty; ‘splendidus ut genius vel nympha’. —Mucius Tever 02:22, 4 Martii 2007 (UTC)

    But, as we know, nymphs are really something else.
    From your extremely useful listing I draw the conclusion that one word alfus -i is used by Ettmüller and Grimm (speaking of medieval mythology) and also by one of the translators of Tolkien. That's the word to go for, I think. It seems likely that alfo -nis would turn up somewhere as a variant if we went on searching, and we should note it in the article. Other modern translators have perhaps just invented words without realising that a form was already available. A nd rew D alby 12:37, 4 Martii 2007 (UTC)

      I quite agree, and have hence moved the article to Alfus. That term by far seems to be the one that have the best precedence. Alatius 17:46, 12 Aprilis 2007 (UTC)

A certain mutual friend of Mucius' and mine, who has a certain investment in this subject, commended to me a pdf on Latin glosses for ælf in Anglo-Saxon Glossaries. He went on to say 'If I were to try to build something off PGmc *alBiz, I'd probably do "albs" or "albis", 3rd declension i-stem with g.pl. "albium", as if it had been borrowed very early from Germanic. Elb- seems just as silly and Teutocentric as, say, "Elfus" would be (only Anglocentric). I would really *like* albs, but I'm not sure if it's phonetically acceptable in Latin.' Interesting though this is, I don't think we can use it without cites to back it up (besides, shouldn't *alβiz have given "albis"? Unless it was borrowed from a language like Gothic, that drops the i in the nominative). --Iustinus 18:11, 4 Martii 2007 (UTC)

I haven't gone through that pdf yet for more glosses, but one form that I can immediately add to Muke's list is: Elbus, -i (Sigridis Albert "De Iohanne Ronaldo Tolkien eiusque opere", Vocis Latinae Tom. 38 Fasc. 148, 2002, pp. 204-216.) --Iustinus 19:04, 4 Martii 2007 (UTC)

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