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	        <h1 class="firstHeading">Disputatio Formulae:Fontes desiderati</h1>
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	    <p>Iustinus - I think originaly <i>Fontes Carentes</i> was for <i>Articuli</i> fontes carentes - fontes being the object of carens. (For the category <i><b>Categoria:Fontes carentes</b></i>). Still, the change makes sense, especially because the singular use of the tag now - it would have had to become <i>[hoc] caret fontes</i>, or something. --<a href="../../../t/b/o/Usor%7ETbook_0a08.html" title="Usor:Tbook">Tbook</a> 16:49, 26 Iulii 2006 (UTC)</p>
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<dd>We could do it that way to, but <i>careo</i> takes an ablative of separation, so it would have to be <i>fontibus carentes/caret</i>. --<a href="../../../i/u/s/Usor%7EIustinus_20f8.html" title="Usor:Iustinus">Iustinus</a> 17:08, 26 Iulii 2006 (UTC)</dd>
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<p>Correct. My error. --<a href="../../../t/b/o/Usor%7ETbook_0a08.html" title="Usor:Tbook">Tbook</a> 17:16, 26 Iulii 2006 (UTC)</p>
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<h2><span class="editsection">[<a href="../../../f/o/n/Disputatio_Formulae%7EFontes_desiderati_a1fc.html" title="Recensere partem: less color">recensere</a>]</span> <span class="mw-headline">less color</span></h2>
<p>For the sake of the health of my eyes, thank you!&#160;;-) --<a href="../../../u/v/_/Usor%7EUV_cd3f.html" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> 22:41, 30 Octobris 2006 (UTC)</p>
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<h2><span class="editsection">[<a href="../../../f/o/n/Disputatio_Formulae%7EFontes_desiderati_a1fc.html" title="Recensere partem: Two cases?">recensere</a>]</span> <span class="mw-headline">Two cases?</span></h2>
<p>I think this formula has been intended to serve two cases, and that maybe we should distinguish them.</p>
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<li>The general Wikipedia case where a statement is made that ought to be justified with a citation.</li>
<li>The special Vicipaedia case where, because of the shortage of modern sources in our language, we are uncertain of the Latin spelling of a name.</li>
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<p>I also think that nearly all uses of this template at present belong to case 2. Therefore I am wondering whether to do the following:</p>
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<li>Change the wording of this formula (again) to "Fons nominis Latini desideratus." It will then be crystal clear that it applies to the <i>name</i> to which it is attached.</li>
<li>Make a similar formula with the wording "Citatio desiderata" which we can attach to dubious-looking or unsourced statements.</li>
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<p>Unlike most Wikipedias, we insert this present formula in a footnote. This makes it more time-consuming for editors: we have some extra typing to do each time we use it. So should the new formula, also, be designed for placing as a footnote, or should it appear in the line or as a superscript? <font face="Gill Sans"><a href="../../../a/n/d/Usor%7EAndrew_Dalby_562a.html" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew</a> <font color="green"><a href="../../../a/n/d/Disputatio_Usoris%7EAndrew_Dalby_c161.html" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">Dalby</a></font></font> 13:56, 13 Martii 2007 (UTC)</p>
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<dd>I agree with the observation that the template is currently used nearly exclusively in case 2. We also have {{<a href="../../../d/u/b/Formula%7EDubsig_d35e.html" title="Formula:Dubsig">dubsig</a>}}, which asks rather for checking and confirming a word (and then removing {{<a href="../../../d/u/b/Formula%7EDubsig_d35e.html" title="Formula:Dubsig">dubsig</a>}} again) than for providing sources.</dd>
<dd>I do not have a particular preference whether to use the new template in footnotes or inline/superscripted or as a box. --<a href="../../../u/v/_/Usor%7EUV_cd3f.html" title="Usor:UV">UV</a> 23:52, 13 Martii 2007 (UTC)</dd>
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<dd>I agree, we should have two types of templates.</dd>
<dd>The style: The actual styleof using footnotes has - in my opinon - the advantage that it demonstrates how to use footnotes, when a user wants to add a source. However, it is more complicated to add the desiderati-template than to add an inline-template. But - on the other hand - since we have some working examples for footnotes now, this argument might have become less important.</dd>
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<p>--<a href="../../../r/o/l/Usor%7ERolandus_49b0.html" title="Usor:Rolandus">Rolandus</a> 05:44, 14 Martii 2007 (UTC)</p>
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<dd>Agree for the need for two templates. We definitely need the citatio desiderata one, badly. I see so many articles uncited. It's not going to work if we want to be taken seriously.--<a href="../../../i/o/s/Usor%7EIoshus_Rocchio_1947.html" title="Usor:Ioshus Rocchio">Ioshus</a> <small><sup><a href="../../../i/o/s/Disputatio_Usoris%7EIoshus_Rocchio_8356.html" title="Disputatio Usoris:Ioshus Rocchio">(disp)</a></sup></small> 12:13, 14 Martii 2007 (UTC)
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<dd>OK, so I have now made {{<a href="../../../c/i/t/Formula%7ECitatio_desiderata_38e4.html" title="Formula:Citatio desiderata">Citatio desiderata</a>}} to be used in the general case (comparable to <a href="../../../../en/c/i/t/Template%7ECitation_needed_0ed6.html" class="extiw" title="en:Template:Citation_needed">en:Template:Citation needed</a>). I take Rolandus's point, that setting it up as a footnote in the first place makes it easier for the editor who afterwards adds a citation, so I have continued that style. <font face="Gill Sans"><a href="../../../a/n/d/Usor%7EAndrew_Dalby_562a.html" title="Usor:Andrew Dalby">Andrew</a> <font color="green"><a href="../../../a/n/d/Disputatio_Usoris%7EAndrew_Dalby_c161.html" title="Disputatio Usoris:Andrew Dalby">Dalby</a></font></font> 21:13, 16 Martii 2007 (UTC)</dd>
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